Simon Jenkins calls for complete cut of armed forces...

#1
From Simon Jennings (Guardian)

My once-in-a-generation cut? The armed forces. All of them

We are safer than at any time since the Norman conquest. Yet £45bn is spent defending Britain against fantasy enemies

I say cut defence. I don't mean nibble at it or slice it. I mean cut it, all £45bn of it. George Osborne yesterday asked the nation "for once in a generation" to think the unthinkable, to offer not just percentage cuts but "whether government needs to provide certain public services at all".

What do we really get from the army, the navy and the air force beyond soldiers dying in distant wars and a tingle when the band marches by? Is the tingle worth £45bn, more than the total spent on schools? Why does Osborne "ringfence" defence when everyone knows its budget is a bankruptcy waiting to happen, when Labour ministers bought the wrong kit for wars that they insisted it fight?......
:?
Who has the bus keys?

Edited by mod to spell his name correctly in the thread title
 
#3
He is deliberately melodramatic - the schwerpunkt is made in the last sentence:

I am all for being defended, but at the present price I am entitled to ask against whom and how. Of all the public services that should justify themselves from ground zero, defence is the first.
Which is a valid point. Defence expenditure, like all other public expenditure, must be justified and must be rigorously tested. I have little confidence that strategic planning for defence and foreign policy is as effective as it could be, particularly under the last administration and I think Mr Jenkins is of the same mind.
 

cpunk

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#4
Simon Jenkins is quite an odd person with increasingly wacky views on a lot of subjects. It's worth reading, for example, the 'Bad Science' forum for some commentary on his scientific opinions. I do sometimes wonder if he's about to do a David Icke.
 
#5
And what do we do with the 100's of thousands of people who employed by the MoD both directly and indirectly? And they have the cheek to moan about Thatcher destroying industry in the 80's.
 

TheresaMay

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DirtyBAT
#6
Each weekend, the tranquillity of the Welsh countryside is shattered by inane jets screaming through the mountain valleys playing at Lord of the Rings. With modern bombs, no plane need fly that low, and the jets are said to burn more fuel in half an hour than a school in a year. Any other service wasting so much money would be laughed out of court. Yet the Treasury grovels before the exotic virility of it all.
He seems to forget, who will put his fires out when the Fire 'Service' are on strike again because they don't get paid enough?

Plus - he's obviously not been anywhere near Lossiemouth then, and tried to make a 5-minute phonecall.
 
#7
Jennings misses the point completely and overwhelmingly. I suspect he knows that as well. This article is a nice little earner and pays him a fat fee on the basis of it's controversy. There are plenty of people out there in the big wide world who would love to take us for a ride, rub our noses in it and hose us down massively. The only thing that stops them is that excellent machine we keep to hand 24/7 called our Armed Forces.
 
#8
He points out well the fact that a SDR is needed. He is however, hopelessly and disappointingly short-sighted in his comments on lack of threat to the UK.
 

Andy_S

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#9
Turn the Armed Forces out onto the street - Good God! What brand of sherry is this man drinking?

Best possible scenario:
A coup d'etat by the retired warriors

Worst possible scenario:
Jackbooted Jean/Fritz/Ivan/Mahmood/Lee/Kim marching through Picadilly Circus by breakfast time
 
#11
Usual left wing tosh with an SDR in the pipeline.

Go in hard with no defence budget scrap the lot of it, come away with no trident replacement - simples.
 
#12
Ok, so for a second lets engage with Jenkins' question: "who do we need to defend against?"

Answers on a postcard. And I vote that PR Totty tries to get the best one onto Comment is Free...
 
#13
cpunk said:
Simon Jenkins is quite an odd person with increasingly wacky views on a lot of subjects. It's worth reading, for example, the 'Bad Science' forum for some commentary on his scientific opinions. I do sometimes wonder if he's about to do a David Icke.
Damn. Beat me to it!
He obviously didn't watch Queen and Country on Monday night!
 
#14
What a F**king retard, has this idiot not read history.When I joined up no one would have ever dreamed Northern Ireland would ever have kicked off, and with things the way there are today it would not surprise me if we do not have religious unrest,water wars,civil unrest, natural disasters, flooding,ect where troops are deployed on the streets in the future. It is far better to have troops doing nothing,than not to have them when we need them.FFS the first time I got called out was to try to clean up the oil spill of the Torry Canyon disaster. The Man is a F**kwit
 
#15
Just a typical Guardian leftwing bile spewing twunt looking to get himself on the news and rile up the Daily Mail and Co. Ignore the tosser and he'll shrivel up and die without the attention.
 
#16
"Each weekend, the tranquillity of the Welsh countryside is shattered by inane jets screaming through the mountain valleys playing at Lord of the Rings." :?


Tropper, you are correct. Nobody could have predicted that your enlistment would push the apparently stable sectarian balance in Ulster into the turmoil it soon became...
 
#17
Each weekend, the tranquillity of the Welsh countryside is shattered by inane jets screaming through the mountain valleys playing at Lord of the Rings. With modern bombs, no plane need fly that low, and the jets are said to burn more fuel in half an hour than a school in a year. Any other service wasting so much money would be laughed out of court. Yet the Treasury grovels before the exotic virility of it all.
Has Jenkins' sense of outrage got the better of his English?
 
#18
Simon can say whatever he wants in my opinion, his gaping anus drives me wild. I must have him.
 
#19
Balleh said:
Each weekend, the tranquillity of the Welsh countryside is shattered by inane jets screaming through the mountain valleys playing at Lord of the Rings. With modern bombs, no plane need fly that low, and the jets are said to burn more fuel in half an hour than a school in a year. Any other service wasting so much money would be laughed out of court. Yet the Treasury grovels before the exotic virility of it all.
Has Jenkins' sense of outrage got the better of his English?
Well he obviously has never been in Mid Wales on the weekend, as the RAF dont fly at weekends, you do somtimes get the odd helecopter flying up the Usk valley but fast Jets, no way
 
#20
tropper66 said:
Balleh said:
Each weekend, the tranquillity of the Welsh countryside is shattered by inane jets screaming through the mountain valleys playing at Lord of the Rings. With modern bombs, no plane need fly that low, and the jets are said to burn more fuel in half an hour than a school in a year. Any other service wasting so much money would be laughed out of court. Yet the Treasury grovels before the exotic virility of it all.
Has Jenkins' sense of outrage got the better of his English?
Well he obviously has never been in Mid Wales on the weekend, as the RAF dont fly at weekends, you do somtimes get the odd helecopter flying up the Usk valley but fast Jets, no way
You didn't pass away peacefully in your sleep then?
 

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