Silly Cow

#1
Driving home last night in heavy traffic , dual carriageway , Im in the left lane , ahead the right lane is coned off , a stupid bint
in the RH lane decides to change to the left lane as the cones approach and cuts across the front of me , scuffed my bumper (4x4) and dented her Ford Fiesta , she recons she had a right of way! surely not ?
 
#2
I'm rather confident the idea behind those lovely lines on the motorway is that anybody not within a certain lane has a requirement to give way to someone already in that lane. Consequently you can't just move into another lane then claim you had right of way over anybody else already in it.

I hope you kicked her in the ****.
 
#3
Does the idea of the zipper technique not exist somewhere nice N warm?

They have made it a law over here that you must give way to the vehicle directly ahead of you when traffic has to merge, which would sort of give the silly cow some wiggle room in who has the right of way.
 
#4
I'm rather confident the idea behind those lovely lines on the motorway is that anybody not within a certain lane has a requirement to give way to someone already in that lane. Consequently you can't just move into another lane then claim you had right of way over anybody else already in it.

I hope you kicked her in the ****.
Thats what i thought, crossing the white lines you had to give way to vehicles already in the lane you are about to enter. This is all i can find in the Highway Code...

Overtaking
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Do not overtake unless you are sure it is safe and legal to do so. Overtake only on the right. You should

•check your mirrors
•take time to judge the speeds correctly
•make sure that the lane you will be joining is sufficiently clear ahead and behind
•take a quick sideways glance into the blind spot area to verify the position of a vehicle that may have disappeared from your view in the mirror
•remember that traffic may be coming up behind you very quickly. Check all your mirrors carefully. Look out for motorcyclists. When it is safe to do so, signal in plenty of time, then move out
•ensure you do not cut in on the vehicle you have overtaken
•be especially careful at night and in poor visibility when it is harder to judge speed and distance
 
#5
Does the idea of the zipper technique not exist somewhere nice N warm?

They have made it a law over here that you must give way to the vehicle directly ahead of you when traffic has to merge, which would sort of give the silly cow some wiggle room in who has the right of way.
Zipper technique ? you mean open mine and do her?

She was not directly ahead , she came along the RH side and just cut across so fingers crossed .
 
#6
Zipper technique ? you open mine and do her?

She was not directly ahead , she came along the RH side and just cut across so fingers crossed .
If she was in the faster stream of traffic which was then merging into the slower one at the point (or close to it) where the merge point was then even if she did cut you up the law says that you would both be partially liable for the accident and would pay the relevant percentage of any repair costs.

This is German law btw so probably not a lot of use wherever you are.
 
#7
As I wasnt there, it can only be a guess but I guess she is in the wrong. From your description she didnt indicate and abruptly cut in.

On the other hand, you may have been one of those chods deliberately closing the gap between you and the car in front of you to deny her entry into your lane. That would be dangerous driving on your part. The highway code does suggest alternate vehicles (ie zipper technique) in just such a situation. British drivers are, however, seemingly incapable of understanding and implementing it.
 
#8
Does the idea of the zipper technique not exist somewhere nice N warm?

They have made it a law over here that you must give way to the vehicle directly ahead of you when traffic has to merge, which would sort of give the silly cow some wiggle room in who has the right of way.
There is no law here stating you have to allow them to merge and rightly so, especially on a motorway. I've no issue with merging vehicles as long as they signal their intention and do it politely. If I am using a lane to rightfully filter I will drive past people at a reasonable speed and slow down and indicate. I find people are far more willing to let people merge than if you just barrel up to them at five million miles an hour, slam on the brakes and try stick the nose of your car into the queue. Most people tend to **** you off then, and I cannot blame them.
 
#10
If she was in the faster stream of traffic which was then merging into the slower one at the point (or close to it) where the merge point was then even if she did cut you up the law says that you would both be partially liable for the accident and would pay the relevant percentage of any repair costs.

This is German law btw so probably not a lot of use wherever you are.
Pompey UK at the moment.
 
#12
From the highway code

"Lane discipline
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If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.

134
You should follow the signs and road markings and get into the lane as directed. In congested road conditions do not change lanes unnecessarily. Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed."

It is quite clear that there is no automatic right to merge in turn (Zipper) and that responsibility for safely moving into your lane rests with the other driver. Her only recourse is therefore to accuse you of what I said earlier - deliberately closing the gap.
 
#13
However even if that was the case she had no right of way and should have slowed down. Just like when you enter a motorway, if there is no clear gap you have to wait until there is.
 
#14
It's my opinion that a motorway is absolutely no place to be merging at the last second if vehicles are travelling at speed. If traffic is going at the same speed as usual you should ******* well pull over with plenty of time rather than just hoping you can zip in before you take out a row of cones. If traffic is backed up and moving slowly then you can by all means move to the end to merge, but you still have no right of way and have to wait for a gap or for someone to leave you one and allow you to merge.

I use a filter lane coming from home all the time and merge towards the top of the road as I feel it's pointless sitting 600 metres back down the road when there is a lane specifically for that purpose, but like I said earlier I come up the side of traffic slowly and indicate my intentions, people generally allow me in if I don't act like a cock.
 
#15
I bet you (the OP) saw her coming, thought "Fk You" and matched her speed...leaving her no option but to select one of two options.

A - Speed up and tuck in
B - Slow down and tuck in

Either way, you were aware of her being there but decided to add to the situation. I take it you were determined not to use your brakes; it would have been the sensible option as you now have a damaged car.
 
#16
As I wasnt there, it can only be a guess but I guess she is in the wrong. From your description she didnt indicate and abruptly cut in.

On the other hand, you may have been one of those chods deliberately closing the gap between you and the car in front of you to deny her entry into your lane. That would be dangerous driving on your part. The highway code does suggest alternate vehicles (ie zipper technique) in just such a situation. British drivers are, however, seemingly incapable of understanding and implementing it.

.....So if there wasn't a gap because the car behind you had closed up behind you, then surely the cnut trying to cut in should have waited until there was a gap, or until someone flashed to say 'there you go' instead of just barging in...then having the fecking audacity to blame the other driver?

Most Drivers are more then capable of letting someone in, but various prats take the piss and expect to bully people into letting them in e.g the the south bound entry to the Blackwell tunnel where the RH/outside lane is often closed, with plenty of advanced warning notices giving a countdown in metres/yards, but you still get cnuts driving right upto the end of it and then trying to force their way in...must save then all of 5 minutes.
 
#17
I bet you (the OP) saw her coming, thought "Fk You" and matched her speed...leaving her no option but to select one of two options.

A - Speed up and tuck in
B - Slow down and tuck in

Either way, you were aware of her being there but decided to add to the situation. I take it you were determined not to use your brakes; it would have been the sensible option as you now have a damaged car.

...or the cnut could have waited until there was a gap... or until someone indicated that it was safe for her to cut in?
 
#18
Vampire, I do not disagree with you. In all likelihood, the woman is completely in the wrong. I have, however, (and I am sure you have too) experienced drivers who deliberately chose to close any existing gap in order to prevent someone merging in front of them. Whether they are entitled to or not, it is dangerous and unnecessary. If the OP is one of those (and I am not saying he is) then she would still be in the wrong but have some excuse for believing otherwise. We were not there so the OP will have to search his own conscience on that one! Legally though, she was the one changing lanes so it would appear to be down to her to prove that he had deliberately rammed her car and that seems unlikely.
 
#19
...or the cnut could have waited until there was a gap... or until someone indicated that it was safe for her to cut in?

Agreed, but that wasnt going to happen - for whatever reason. It was his choice not to brake or accept that the cnut was indeed, a cnut and act accordingly. Is it her fault he now has a damaged car? Maybe, although he decided to nt to take suitable evasive action.

MWA
 
#20
Agreed, but that wasnt going to happen - for whatever reason. It was his choice not to brake or accept that the cnut was indeed, a cnut and act accordingly. Is it her fault he now has a damaged car? Maybe, although he decided to nt to take suitable evasive action.

MWA
It did not damage my car but the bill for her LH rear quarter will be around 500 to 600 quid ,I would have let her in had she been ahead and indicated to turn into my lane but as it was she shot up my RH side and cut in before I realized wtf was going on.

I can appreciate why some motorists who have waited patiently in a que after heeding notice of a lane closure ahead get pissed off when some twat screams along to the end of their lane and expects to be let in immediate , its like saying "me and my journey are far more important than you and yours journey so move "
 

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