Silent Guardian

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  1. BBC News article:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6297149.stm

    The US military has given a first public demonstration what it says is a revolutionary heat-ray weapon to repel enemies or disperse hostile crowds.

    The gun - called Silent Guardian - projects an invisible high energy beam that produces a sudden burning feeling, but is actually harmless.

    The beam can be fired as far as 500m (500 yards), much further than existing non-lethal weapons like rubber bullets.

    The gun should be in use by the US military within three years.

    The prototype weapon uses a large rectangular dish mounted on a Humvee vehicle.

    The waves can penetrate clothes but not walls, suddenly heating up the skin of anyone in its path to 50C.

    Journalists who volunteered to be zapped during the demonstration on an air base in the US state of Georgia described the sensation as similar to a blast from a very hot oven - too painful to bear and forcing them to dive for cover.

    Military officials say the so-called "active denial system" is harmless, but could prove invaluable in the increasingly complex situations they face.

    The marine colonel in charge said it was an alternative to going straight from shouting to shooting and could save lives.

    The system could be used both for dispersing hostile crowds during peace time, or in conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan.
     
  2. A device that heats the skin to the point where is is no longer possible to bear but is harmless?

    'Non-lethality' is a semantic term which may be deployed to lower the threshold of ethical constraint when it's potential as a weapon of torture is considered by Governments. One should not consider for one moment that our own is 'above' such considerations. The mentality that can lock a man up indefinitely without due process in this country is but a short moral step away from burning someone alive if they think they can get away with it without any visible scars. Much can happen in a period of detention that can last anything up to 28 days, a fortiori, the 90 days that the Home Office are pushing hard for!

    I am told that the Photic Driver in the hands a skilled operator is a particularly horrible but effective instrument of torture that leaves no visible scars whatsoever.

    Although marketed and sold as such, non-lethality is not always the case.

    Non-lethal weapons do, of course have a tactical military application. One may, for example cite 'Agent Orange' as something intended as having a non-lethal use. An extremely well-referenced USAF Discussion Paper is available in the public domain which examines the tactical use of a variety of non-lethal weapons.

    Regards and best wishes
    Iolis
     
  3. It's not new. It's been deployed previously (over 2 years ago) as Sherriff.
     
  4. "The bridge between shouting and shooting.

    Link

    Ooops - didn't see anything when I searched. Apologies all.
     
  5. alrteady done - see here
     
  6. Torture? Can we melt eyeballs with it??
     
  7. 50 Degrees C? Sounds perfect for heating pies and pastys. (As opposed to a DERA employee I knew in the 1990s who blew up a steak and kidney pie trying to microwave it with a tracking radar.)
     
  8. Dominos will be having one of these, never worry about a cold pizza again. :highfive:

    The US military has given the first public display of what it says is a revolutionary heat-ray weapon to repel enemies or disperse hostile crowds.

    Called the Active Denial System, it projects an invisible high energy beam that produces a sudden burning feeling.

    Military officials, who say the gun is harmless, believe it could be used as a non-lethal way of making enemies surrender their weapons.

    Officials said there was wide-ranging military interest in the technology.

    "This is a breakthrough technology that's going to give our forces a capability they don't now have," defence official Theodore Barna told Reuters news agency.

    "We expect the services to add it to their tool kit. And that could happen as early as 2010."

    'Blast from an oven'

    The prototype weapon was demonstrated at the Moody Air Force Base in Georgia.

    A beam was fired from a large rectangular dish mounted on a Humvee vehicle.

    The beam has a reach of up to 500 metres (550 yards), much further than existing non-lethal weapons like rubber bullets.

    It can penetrate clothes, suddenly heating up the skin of anyone in its path to 50C.

    But it penetrates the skin only to a tiny depth - enough to cause discomfort but no lasting harm, according to the military.

    A Reuters journalist who volunteered to be shot with the beam described the sensation as similar to a blast from a very hot oven - too painful to bear without diving for cover.

    Crowd control

    Military officials said the weapon was one of the key technologies of the future.

    "Non-lethal weapons are important for the escalation of force, especially in the environments our forces are operating in," said Marine Col Kirk Hymes, director of the development programme.

    The weapon could potentially be used for dispersing hostile crowds in conflict zones such as Iraq or Afghanistan.

    It would mean that troops could take effective steps to move people along without resorting to measures such as rubber bullets - bridging the gap between "shouting and shooting", Col Hymes said.

    A similar non-lethal weapon, Silent Guardian, is being developed by US company Raytheon.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6297149.stm
     
  9. Tytus_Barnowl

    Tytus_Barnowl On ROPs

    Whatever happened to the high pressure hose. Water can be added to dye to later identify suspects and acid to cause non lethal permanent scars.
    :frustrated:
     
  10. I can't see a use for this weapon.

    If someone is hundreds of meters away and taking aim with a rifle, you don't want to rely on this sort of system. You want hot lead not the sensation of a hot oven.
    If they are hundreds of meters away and unarmed then they aren't a threat so it's hard to imagine the circumstances where it would be a good idea to engage them with this.
    They might be rioting and damaging property, you might prefer the crowd to disperse. But if you use this thing to do it you're only going to make more trouble for yourself.

    Look at it from the point of view of the rioter, you've just popped out to loot yourself a nice TV when you get this sudden burning blast. That's going to catch anyone by surprise. Doesn't matter how hard your are, for a second or two you're going to give a girly squeal and hop around trying to escape the invisible beam and you're going to look like a first round elimination from Dancing on Ice in the process.
    Before you just wanted a telly, now you're ashamed, angry and dishonoured. You're also uninjured. Finally, the system completely dehumanises the troops using it. There's no human contact, no chance for the troops to try to calm people down, no chance for the rioters to see that the soldier is just a guy doing his job.

    Could there be a more perfect system for turning a group of fairly peaceful protesters and petty thieves in to sworn enemies?
     
  11. Mace, Pepper spray and other irritants in general use pretty much pee off your average friendly rioter/looter burning him wont make much difference. Pepper spray burns like fcuk, when you are grappling with or restraining someone that has been hit with spray you then get covered with it your self and need decontamination.
    The bonus with this weapon is you hit your target area and the user can then go in without having to wear respirators or other protective gear necessary when using other irritants. There is no spray back, it can be used in weather conditions that don't allow the use of the other irritants. You hit your target people and don't pee off the hundred people that are adjacent
    What is to limit the temperature to 50C?
    I'm sure they can up the temp to pretty much where having a hog roast is an option, the days of Flash Gordons death ray are pretty much here now.
    Hide behind a vehicle and you burn it and fry those hiding behind it or in it.
     
  12. How much fun would it be to the gunner/cook!

    The MOD should buy some to replace BV's and hexy stoves. That should help them buy kit we don't need, and waste money.