Sikh knives

#1
I don't know if I've missed it on here, but the senior Asian judge has said that a school which has banned a Sikh pupil from bringing in a 5 inch ceremonial knife shhould let him do so.

Now bearing in mind all the tra la about knife crimes this seems a bit silly; if it is only ceremonial than couldn't a cluedo sized item do?

The second thought was this, when Sikhs fly to India are they allowed to carry their 5 inch blades? If so where does that leave aircraft security? If they have to surrender them, then why can't the pupil surrender his until going home time?
 
#2
I think it's fcuking disgraceful. Why should a sikh be above the law? They shouldn't even be allowed to carry it in the street, unless they allow any other person in the country to aswell!
 
#3
It's all part of the culture of not causing "offence", for some reason it's your right to go through life without being offended. It's woolly thinking like this that allowed Ali Dizaei to carry on for so long.
 
#4
Don;t care what some judge thinks, carry a shive all the time.
 
#5
Aparently Sikhs in jail get to wear a plastic version.

None story really, no doubt the daily wails doing

Exactly no sikh school kids have been recorded as involved in Knife crime, ever
 

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#8
Why not, the Jocks can still wear Sgian Dubhs or Dirks openly on the streets, as long as it's part of traditional dress.
 
#10
I read a comment left by a Sikh about this. He stated there are 5 things you have to wear/carry about. He carries a knife, a tiny miniature one like a small trinket, and that is how most mainstream Sikh's do it.

Thinking about it, it may have been a link on here somewhere.....

He followed up with Christians wear a small cross, they don't carry an 8ft wooden one :D
 
#11
Joker62 said:
Why not, the Jocks can still wear Sgian Dubhs or Dirks openly on the streets, as long as it's part of traditional dress.
Not many of them get to force their schools to allow them to carry it on a daily basis though.
 
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#14
johnboyzzz said:
Joker62 said:
Why not, the Jocks can still wear Sgian Dubhs or Dirks openly on the streets, as long as it's part of traditional dress.
No they can't
As quoted to me when in Edinburgh "We're allowed to wear them as long as they stay sheathed" Sparky 2239 will back me up on this
 
#15
leveller said:
I read a comment left by a Sikh about this. He stated there are 5 things you have to wear/carry about. He carries a knife, a tiny miniature one like a small trinket, and that is how most mainstream Sikh's do it.

Thinking about it, it may have been a link on here somewhere.....

He followed up with Christians wear a small cross, they don't carry an 8ft wooden one :D
Strange, because this comment seems to suggest they are not happy with trinkets.

"Why is a Sikh student being asked to choose between his education and his faith?" Mejindarpal Kaur asked Mr. McCulloch, to which he replied, that the school governors had agreed that J Singh could wear a two inch `kirpan` from tip of handle to blade, which is welded shut in its sheath.

"We had informed the school that the two-inch alternative is a replica and not a Kirpan, hence not acceptable to J Singh or the community," Mejindarpal Kaur informed Mr Mc Culloch.
http://thesop.org/world/2009/10/09/uk-school-bans-kirpan-forcing-sikh-out-of-school
 
#16
Joker62 said:
johnboyzzz said:
Joker62 said:
Why not, the Jocks can still wear Sgian Dubhs or Dirks openly on the streets, as long as it's part of traditional dress.
No they can't
As quoted to me when in Edinburgh "We're allowed to wear them as long as they stay sheathed" Sparky 2239 will back me up on this
It was included in the law against carrying knives
 
#17
Definitely applies at weddings in Scotland-part of Highland uniform.The day my lad got married in Blairgowrie,recently,there was a RM wedding taking place & an Orrifice was wearing his sword in the pub!
 
#18
johnboyzzz said:
Joker62 said:
johnboyzzz said:
Joker62 said:
Why not, the Jocks can still wear Sgian Dubhs or Dirks openly on the streets, as long as it's part of traditional dress.
No they can't
As quoted to me when in Edinburgh "We're allowed to wear them as long as they stay sheathed" Sparky 2239 will back me up on this
It was included in the law against carrying knives
According to wiki the Jocks can
Wiki said:
The phrase "good reason" in subsection 4 is intended to allow for "common sense" possession of knives, so that it is legal to carry a knife if there is a bona fide reason to do so. Subsection 5 gives some specific examples of bona fide reasons: a knife for use at work (e.g. a chef's knife), as part of a national costume (e.g. a sgian dubh for the Scottish national costume), or for religious reasons (e.g. a Sikh Kirpan).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_Legislation
 
#19
Radio 4 interview; the Judge who is a Sikh said that it was ceremonial. Some carry short versions welded into their sheaths and the gurus and religeous authorities are cool with that.

So, why should this lad want to carry a longer ceremonial knife to school ? Non-story, really. The judge was quite erudite and non-plussed at why the size of the knife should be a factor to the family.

All Sikhs I know are good loyal law abiding people and I guess the majority of the Sikh population are somewhat irritated by the sudden interest in it all.

Hidden agenda ? Media ? (sells papers).
 
#20
Scabbers said:
All Sikhs I know are good loyal law abiding people
Oh right so that means all Sikhs are good loyal law abiding people does it?

Sky pixies should not dictate exemption from the law.
 

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