signed off then sent on tour

#1
hello,

I have just signed off. because I signed off during a temporary course posting I needed to be posted for my final 12 months.

I am being sent immediately overseas for pre-deployment training followed by a six month tour.

I did not get given this posting/tour until I signed off.

My question is: can they send me on such a tour as a reaction to me signing off?

I understand that signing off doesnt get you out of tours that you have been warned about. but I signed off first and the tour is a reaction to that.

What are you views?
 
#3
Think of it as a way of saving all your cash before getting out, yo'll need it because there is/will be fcuk all work for you when you do.
 
#5
I found myself in Kosovo in 99 after I signed off (2 weeks after returning from a Bosnia tour). So they can and will if they need the manpower. You will just need to plan your resettlement better, that's all, and you have the benefit of having all of your resettlement courses and outstanding post tour\annual\termination leave taking up the remainder of your time, so once you return from tour you will hardly see much of the army at all!
 
#6
No they cannot -

Queens Regs mate. The criteria for sending someone on tour in their last 6 must be extremely extremely compelling and making up the numbers does not cut it.
 
#7
Dontdreamit said:
No they cannot -

Queens Regs mate. The criteria for sending someone on tour in their last 6 must be extremely extremely compelling and making up the numbers does not cut it.
He is not in his last 6 months, can you quote Chapter and Verse from QR's as I have never seen anything on sending people on Op Tours in their last 6 months. They must have at least 6 months Reckonable Service at the end of their tour to complete Resettlement, however, they can still send you and apply to have your Run Out Date extended to give you the 6 months required.
 
#8
In a simple answer to your question, yes they can send you on tour.
The sheer fact you have given in your notice hints to me that you have already served at least 3 years reckonable service, so this should not really come as much suprise to you!

There is nothing to stop you doing PDT, or deploying, but should you come to your resettlement period before the end of the tour, you should be skipped back to wherever you are based.

Little example- I gave in my notice, and was then put on a recce commanders course straight after! Completed that about 5 months later, deployed to Poland, and then skipped BATUS as was due to scoot- ended up changing my mind, so am still in now. You get my drift though.

This is the army, and you are still an asset- you have only given 12 months notice, you aren't out just yet!
 
#9
LongJohnSilver said:
Dontdreamit said:
No they cannot -

Queens Regs mate. The criteria for sending someone on tour in their last 6 must be extremely extremely compelling and making up the numbers does not cut it.
He is not in his last 6 months, can you quote Chapter and Verse from QR's as I have never seen anything on sending people on Op Tours in their last 6 months. They must have at least 6 months Reckonable Service at the end of their tour to complete Resettlement, however, they can still send you and apply to have your Run Out Date extended to give you the 6 months required.
I already said that if he is not in last 6 then tough luck.

But they cannot extend your date. 12 months after the papers are signed your out. This has already been covered in another thread whereby the regs were quoted.
 
#10
The 6 month thing for return from Ops and the extention came out recently in either a DIN, DSPS(I) or something like that, I will get the reference and post it on here.
 
#11
It is interesting this one not just from a what can they do point.

You infer from you post that by signing off you are now excused soldiering, so what do you think is the correct employment for a soldier who has signed off?
 
#13
06FA56Paderborn said:
It is interesting this one not just from a what can they do point.

You infer from you post that by signing off you are now excused soldiering, so what do you think is the correct employment for a soldier who has signed off?
Where did I say that Paderborn? :?

No I do not think that but a soldier has the right to resettlement and to make the transition back to civilian life (do you know many jobs whereby firing at a figure 12A is a requirement?)

Unless of course you are of the opinion that once a soldier has served his duty he should still devote his life forevermore to the organisation. :roll:

This is just a job. An important one that commands respect, but still just a job. None of us would be here for free.

For some soldiers it's short term, for others it's for life(style) and for more yet their circumstances change.

So I will repeat my comments for the ignorant -

12 months to go - Tough Luck, get your webbing sorted cause you should not be complaining, your a soldier, your paid as a soldier and it's time to work.

Less than 12 overlapping with last 6 - You are entitled to your last 6 months to transition to civilian life. The relevant DINS are kicking about here somewhere so dig them out.

I suppose you have the lad on tour until his final day, fly him home, dekit him and then kick him onto civvy street with a complete lack of preparation? People like you could possibly explain why the majority of our nations homeless are ex-squaddies lacking the most basic skills and unable to function without the military support network.
 
#14
LongJohnSilver

No one in particular, I am just interested in what people think should be the way soldiers should be employed when they have signed off no matter how long before they are discharged.

Dontdreamit

You asked for views, I gave one that seems to have niggled you,

your sentence
I understand that signing off doesnt get you out of tours that you have been warned about. but I signed off first and the tour is a reaction to that."

made me think that you were not happy about being sent on an Op Tour as you had signed off, a perfectly understandable view to have.

The act of signing off alters the contract between you (I don't mean you personally here just any one carrying out the act) and the Army in terms of having a different perspective on life, you are choosing to leave and therefore your commitment to the Army is of a different nature. (I do not mean that a soldier would not conduct themselves properly on any Op Tour or indeed in any other employment) so I am interested in what employment is the correct one for soldiers who have signed off given this change in there circumstances.
I suppose you have the lad on tour until his final day, fly him home, dekit him and then kick him onto civvy street with a complete lack of preparation? People like you could possibly explain why the majority of our nations homeless are ex-squaddies lacking the most basic skills and unable to function without the military support network.
You also misinterpret my question, I had hoped to get some responses as to the thoughts of people as to what they think should be the way soldiers are employed once signed off, not as I got here a tirade accusing me of all sorts of opinions that are far from the truth.

As it happens I fully believe that a soldier who has served is entitled as of right to his resettlement package, indeed I believe that they should be supported in a far better fashion after leaving, indeed I believe it is the duty of the organisation to prepare those who leave it for life out there.

So before gobbing off about people being ignorant think what the question was asking, as It happens I am not sure that it is right to send soldiers on Op Tours who have signed off unless they are volunteers to do so.

06FA56
 
#16
The consensus seems to be that if you have more than six months or more to serve to your run out date when the tour begins then you are eligible to serve on that tour. However you should be returned home in time from that tour to serve your last six months in the UK, and in order to take the relevant resettlement courses (which, of course, are dependent upon your time served).

From experience on TELIC tours this was the case. Regularly spaces on flights home were filled with those coming to the end of their service, although they would get bumped off in favour of those going on R&R (face it, they are coming back, your not. You can afford to lose a day or two, they can't).
 
#17
i tried my hardest to get on tour after i had signed off....i was at a trg regt and watched all my old mates deploy on the telic ground war...the best i could get was being told i could teach if batt cas replacements were needed! I do however agree that in the last say, 11 months or so tours should be voluntary. the time flies by and your a civy before you know it!
 
#18
theslayerofmen said:
I do however agree that in the last say, 11 months or so tours should be voluntary.
So you think it's OK for someone else to risk his/her life replacing a soldier just because they've signed off.
 
#19
Thud said:
The consensus seems to be that if you have more than six months or more to serve to your run out date when the tour begins then you are eligible to serve on that tour. However you should be returned home in time from that tour to serve your last six months in the UK, and in order to take the relevant resettlement courses (which, of course, are dependent upon your time served).

From experience on TELIC tours this was the case. Regularly spaces on flights home were filled with those coming to the end of their service, although they would get bumped off in favour of those going on R&R (face it, they are coming back, your not. You can afford to lose a day or two, they can't).
If a unit can't plan their manpower, unlucky. If a lad has six months to push and needs to leave the sand pit they should let him, regardless of how many guys need to squeeze R+R in. I'm sure someone has mentioned somewhere that R+R is a privilege, not an entitlement. I'm also sure someone will pop up with the answer within the next ten minutes or so. :)
 
#20
TwentyBandH said:
theslayerofmen said:
I do however agree that in the last say, 11 months or so tours should be voluntary.
So you think it's OK for someone else to risk his/her life replacing a soldier just because they've signed off.
If a person signs off shortly after he finds out he is soon to be deployed, then unlucky, he should be made to deploy regardless. It seems that sending the lad out in the first place isn't the problem, it's just making sure he comes home with 6 months left for resettlement that is the issue.
 

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