Side-arm

#1
I have been curious for a while whether or not we are trained to use a side-arm/pistol but all the weapons training i have read about is the SA80 rifle which is obviously the British army's main firearm.
And come to think of it i have never noticed (from what i can remember) seeing a british soldier with a sidearm holster, but i assumed all soldiers carried one...
So do we get trained to use one or not?
 
#3
Only if the jobrequires you to be trained

For example we would get pistol training during Northern Ireland training as you might have to drive a civilian vehicle,also I had a side arm in Bosnia when I had to do Weapon Site Inspections
 
#4
TOONarmySOLDIER said:
I have been curious for a while whether or not we are trained to use a side-arm/pistol but all the weapons training i have read about is the SA80 rifle which is obviously the British army's main firearm.
And come to think of it i have never noticed (from what i can remember) seeing a british soldier with a sidearm holster, but i assumed all soldiers carried one...
So do we get trained to use one or not?
I was also wondering the same thing - I saw a mention of it on the ARRSE Wiki, but couldn't find any more information.

I was under the impression that officers may have carried them, but from what I've seen, everyone uses the SA80.

I think even tank crews use a shortened version of the SA80 as opposed to a pistol - is that correct?
 
#5
wellyhead said:
Only if the jobrequires you to be trained

For example we would get pistol training during Northern Ireland training as you might have to drive a civilian vehicle,also I had a side arm in Bosnia when I had to do Weapon Site Inspections
Thanks for that mate.
I thought everyone would be trained though...what if your SA80 gets jammed or something? Are you expected to use a knife?
 
#6
TOONarmySOLDIER said:
Thanks for that mate.
I thought everyone would be trained though...what if your SA80 gets jammed or something? Are you expected to use a knife?
You are expected to use anything that keeps you alive, but seriously stoppage drills take seconds.
 
#7
TOONarmySOLDIER said:
wellyhead said:
Only if the jobrequires you to be trained

For example we would get pistol training during Northern Ireland training as you might have to drive a civilian vehicle,also I had a side arm in Bosnia when I had to do Weapon Site Inspections
Thanks for that mate.
I thought everyone would be trained though...what if your SA80 gets jammed or something? Are you expected to use a knife?
What makes you think you'll have a side arm ? It definitely depends what exactly you will be doing. Like in any competent militaries, if your tasks requires side arm, you will be trained. If not, you won't.

While never a Brit Army service member, I can tell you, stop dreaming about pistol shooting. You'll be fcucked if you have to rely on pistol and opposition has assault rifles.

Spend your time to be proficient to be with assault rifle in service and maybe one day you'll get into units where they actually have good use for pistols.

End of sermon and apology for forum about talking without never being in UK military.
 
#8
:wink: Yeh can only agree with the last post,
Dreaming of pistols or sniper rifles and all that gaff is for folk who play computer games.
Real combat requires "real" weapons and trust me as long as it takes the nasties down I wouldnt give a toss what it is, Try that with your 9 mil pea shooter from 10 feet against body armour or some shithead exiting a vehicle and you can expect to go home rather early.
 
#9
Normally, you only have a rifle; British military doctrine has us engaging the enemy at an ideal range of 200-300m, at which range your pistol is merely a crow-scarer. We teach stoppage drills to clear the rifle if it stops, and we issue a bayonet for if you get really close. Issuing everyone a second weapon is a drain on the logistics train; different ammunition, different spares, more armourers required etc. Pistols are expensive to buy, and require training to become proficient with. There are times or roles for which or for whom pistols are necessary; for most people they are not; it's just twice as much weapon cleaning afterwards.

If you join the RMP, then you'll be pistol trained and routinely armed with one. Otherwise it'll depend upon your task. It certainly won't happen in Phase 1.
 
#10
I'm in the RN but will add that pistol training isn't given to everyone. I'm pistol trained as I (supposedly) needed it in a previous draft but never needed to draw a pistol from the armoury and only fired it on the ranges. The QM onboard (the gangway sentry) is issued with a rifle normally.
 
#13
The military police are routinely armed with pistols. Infantry will be trained if required (the Royal Marines now trains all officers and I think ORs on the SIG P226 and P229A2 as standard). It is mostly dictated by task, and training is provided at the last minute. The SIG, after all, was an UOR and so we don't have many sat around in the UK to train people with.
 
#15
i trained on the browning hi power

personally i dont see the fascination with them

only plus point was if you were issued one you could carry it down to the village in the cob, instead of lugging a rifle about
 

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#16
Pistols - Load of wnak other than as a last ditch scenario/stoppage drills fail. Forget about quick draw head-shots gamers! Who would want to be in a scenario where you could see the whites' of Terry or Achmed's crazy eyes close up? Use the standard issue noisy stick and forget about the holster/9mm posturing bolloxs. Is this a walty wah thread in disguise?
 
#17
On Telic doing the dispatch rider thang we carried 9 milly's as a side arm. Mostly because no one fancied a rifle through the chest when we came off the bikes which happened regularly. However we did bodge the rifle carriers from the Harley's onto the Honda's just in case.
 
#18
There are some interesting answers so far, truth is depends where you are. If you are on Herrick and go outside the wire then you should be issued a side arm, either a Browning or Sig Sauer 226.

If you take a flick through the search for an ally star you will notice the guys carrying a side arm.
 
#19
Although saying that i would'nt have fancied my chances, to quote Boris the Blade from Snatch "Heavy ees reliable Heevy is gud, if it does not work you can Heet him with it".
 
#20
Although actually realising what forum i'm in (a bit pissed) if i was you mate i would concentrate on passing training. Before worrying about Pistol's. They cause more drama's than there worth in the wrong hand's. As has already been said. Unless your job requires them you don't need them.
 

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