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Should we send more food to Ethiopia

#1
Ethiopia are requesting urgent food aid as most of the population are starving to death Linky Thing. So should we send food that we have produced and need to feed ourselves to help them out or should we say sorry enough is enough get your selves in order.

Or should we provide practical help rather than sending money that gets diverted to fund the "current" regimes latest military campaign/ new palace etc.
 
#4
I'm against sending more help. We dug them out of a famine. We then sent stupidly huge amounts of support via Comic Relief. Every time they can't get on with their neighbours over some silly little thing they have a bloody stupid scrap and all the improvements get wiped out. Cue next famine.

We did our bit. Time for their governments to do theirs.
 
#5
The whole of Africa needs sorting. Debate is rather pointless - those with the voices are the very ones who will set things up so they can get their rip-off.
Only things is to reverse whatever was done to make these places independent. Bring back colonialism and do things the way we used to. Not just us - Germany, France, Belgium, Italy - all the old Masters. Involve honest locals more than we did. Teach them what running a country really means aside from political posturing that got them their 'freedom' Uhuru etc does not mean Free To Starve
 
#7
re-stilly said:
Ethiopia are requesting urgent food aid as most of the population are starving to death Linky Thing. So should we send food that we have produced and need to feed ourselves to help them out or should we say sorry enough is enough get your selves in order.

Or should we provide practical help rather than sending money that gets diverted to fund the "current" regimes latest military campaign/ new palace etc.
Interesting question......right now, the only real practical short term help maybe to send food rather than some do-gooding type with a bag of seeds and a shovel, in my opinion sending money to regiemes like this is never the answer.

However, in the not too distant future as the worlds population expands and global environmental conditions worsen, I think we will start to send less and less aid altogether.
 

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#10
This may have something to do with it.

Population of Ethiopia:
1984 Approx 42 million
1990 Approx 52 million
2006 Approx 77 million
2050 Approx 169 million (Estimated, of course!)
(Disclaimer: all figures taken after a few minutes on Google, so they may of course be crap.)

It strikes me that a nations that cannot support 50 million people in a famine/drought situation is going to be hard pressed to support 77 million in a similar situation. Nature will take its course, mess about with it as we may.
 
#11
How do you stop the corruption that obviously permeates the whole of the African continent. I once read somewhere that one of the problems is that when the Europeans carved up Africa they did so using geographical rather than Tribal boundaries, this since the independence of those countries has reverted them going back to being tribal nations, so one half of the country totally despises/distrusts the other.
 
#13
I'll swap them a Large Big Mac Meal for an AK47 & 10,000 rounds of ammunition.
I'm ready to pop it in the post now.
They may get it in time for Xmas.
 
#14
Mr_Deputy said:
re-stilly said:
How do you stop the corruption that obviously permeates the whole of the African continent. I once read somewhere that one of the problems is that when the Europeans carved up Africa they did so using geographical rather than Tribal boundaries, this since the independence of those countries has reverted them going back to being tribal nations, so one half of the country totally despises/distrusts the other.
but even if you went along tribal lines you have one tribe next to another somehow anyway - and conflict is - to my mind - just as likely.
Same as with India if a Muslim nation was to exist and wanted to take land from non-Mulsims then conflict may well have occured anyway.
Fair point, but why are so many Governments in Africa riddled by corruption?? As this really is the crux of why the aid programmes do not work and why after decades of pumping trillions of dollars into Africa the continent is no further forward and in some cases such as Zimbabwe have actually gone backwards.
 
#15
the fact that ribes still exsist is one of the factors .
the US and russia taking over where the colonisers left off.
most of the corupt ******* got cash from the west BAE tanzania anyone :twisted:
 
#16
OldSnowy said:
This may have something to do with it.

Population of Ethiopia:
1984 Approx 42 million
1990 Approx 52 million
2006 Approx 77 million
2050 Approx 169 million (Estimated, of course!)
(Disclaimer: all figures taken after a few minutes on Google, so they may of course be crap.)

It strikes me that a nations that cannot support 50 million people in a famine/drought situation is going to be hard pressed to support 77 million in a similar situation. Nature will take its course, mess about with it as we may.
Leave them to fend for themselves, Darwin rules apply......
 
#18
There has to be a case for saying 'no' at some point.

Those figures are astounding - given the state the nation has been in all those years, I would have expected the population to decrease, not nearly double. After all, they can't have many immigrants!

All the points above, plus one from another thread about tribal leaders selling the workings of their village well, mean that first world nations have been flogging a dead horse for years, imho. Perhaps our guilt will wear off and we'll move out, let them run their countries themselves and take their own consequences. They wanted independence. What they've got is a permanent 'teenagerhood' - thinking they're adults, but depending on the bank of Mum and Dad (in this case guilty western imperialists) to carry on behaving childishly.
 
#19
OldSnowy said:
This may have something to do with it.

Population of Ethiopia:
1984 Approx 42 million
1990 Approx 52 million
2006 Approx 77 million
2050 Approx 169 million (Estimated, of course!)
(Disclaimer: all figures taken after a few minutes on Google, so they may of course be crap.)

I know what our government will do. If they cant feed them there..... send them here. We will pay for them, feed them, give them a house, job etc. They will be forever gratefull and vote Labour. Job done!
 

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