Should the UK police be armed?

Should the UK police carry firearms?

  • Yes, when on duty

    Votes: 26 18.1%
  • Yes, at all times

    Votes: 22 15.3%
  • No, the current policy is good enough

    Votes: 72 50.0%
  • No, they should never carry firearms at all

    Votes: 24 16.7%

  • Total voters
    144
  • Poll closed .
The last seized/missed ratio I heard was 5% of smuggled items of all types seized. That was some years ago - 10 to be exact. I don't know the current estimated ratio. If it is even slightly close to that for firearms, it is concerning.
I am sure direct entry DC's and NCA people have it all in hand.

Thanks, Theresa. Good job.
 

Awol

LE
The last seized/missed ratio I heard was 5% of smuggled items of all types seized. That was some years ago - 10 to be exact. I don't know the current estimated ratio. If it is even slightly close to that for firearms, it is concerning.
How can there be any estimation of successful smuggling operations? By definition, they are undetected.
 
How can there be any estimation of successful smuggling operations? By definition, they are undetected.
I think it is assesed on the basis that, if you stop one hundred cars, and find smuggled goods in five, you can then extrapolate the seized/smuggled ratio.
 
from SOME of thr armed pólice we have seen on video & real life I really do wander about the elitist conoctations with some current training methods.You can see some of them as real posers especially airports
Some are excellent coppers, conscientious, and non-posey, others, however, were the most workshy on their teams before applying for firearms posts. I had a colleague have his application for a driving course rejected on the stated evidence that he was a worthless oxygen thief incapable of independent thought and who never did a stroke unless closely supervised, but a month later the same chief inspector then wrote a glowing assessment on his firearms course application that included the word 'superb' no fewer than nine times.

I have worked with a number of royalty protection officers who, on pre-visit recces and meetings with the venue's management were utterly incapable of leaving without accidentally adjusting the jackets of their very nice bespoke suits (paid for out of the public purse) so all the civvies could see that they 'were carrying', even without a HRH being present.

All that being said, a British police firearms officer who opens fire and kills an armed assailant can expect to be arrested, suspended from duty, as well as firearms duties, their homes turned over in pre-dawn raids by at least two other forces at different times of the investigation, while his own senior officers appear on TV announcing that they are 'supporting the dead man's family at this difficult time'.
 
On the thread title...

Not a cat in hell's chance.

Bunch of easy-life, time-wasting, socialists.

Better if they don't get ideas above their station when we ask the army to arrest the Remain MPs.
 
If CivPop are to remain the uninformed, happy cattle that they are until it all goes Shaun of the dead, that's fine.
However, back in real life, the Police need to be armed.
In the UK that means proper training and regulation.
Just saying.
 

Cutaway

LE
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A close friend came off the FU in a large Yorkshire force preciserly for that the reasons you mention
Because they're a "bunch of easy-life, time-wasting, socialists" ?
You're painting with a broad brush.
 
Once upon a time the Ministry of Cleverness decided to dip sample the population in order to judge general levels of intelligence.
To achieve this they devised a test, creating a perfect platform in which to run it, a room, perfectly square, the floor, walls and ceiling as level as the best lasers could ensure. Their were no windows, no holes or cracks, and only one door, which when closed was invisible to the human eye. There was no decoration of the walls to serve as a distraction, and the room contained one table, its top as perfectly level as humanly possible.
Upon this table top were two ball bearings made of titanium, perfectly formed and rounded. A third ball bearing from the same casting had been tested to destruction, required no less than 100 impacts by a tungsten steam hammer.

The test subjects were a physics professor, a housewife, and a copper.

All would be left alone, naked, and without anything to assist them but their intelligence in the sealed room for sixty minutes, after which they would be asked what they had learned about the ball bearings.

The professor was first and reported that they were indeed perfect spheres. He had carried out a roll test to verify this and both balls had moved the exact same distance, as near as he was able to judge, one hundred times during that set hour.

The housewife was next up and reported that when held up at the same height and released, the ball bearings had landed at the exact same instant, proving that their weight, and density, were exact, as was their shape and size, allowing no variance in air resistance during the falls.

Finally, it was the coppers turn. After one hour the scientists entered the room and found penis graffiti scratched on all the walls, ceiling, and floor, and the copper was scratching his intials into the desktop with the sharp edge of one broken ball bearing.
"This one's knackered," he reported. "Fu@k knows what happened to the other one."
 
Once upon a time the Ministry of Cleverness decided to dip sample the population in order to judge general levels of intelligence.
To achieve this they devised a test, creating a perfect platform in which to run it, a room, perfectly square, the floor, walls and ceiling as level as the best lasers could ensure. Their were no windows, no holes or cracks, and only one door, with when closed was invisible to the human eye. There was no decoration of the walls to serve as a distraction, and the room contained one table, its top as perfectly level as humanly possible.
Upon this table top were two ball bearings made of titanium, perfectly formed and rounded. A third ball bearing from the same casting had been tested to destruction, required no less than 100 impacts by a tungsten steam hammer.

The test subjects were a physics professor, a housewife, and a copper.

All would be left alone, naked, and without anything to assist them but their intelligence in the sealed room for sixty minutes, after which they would be asked what they had learned about the ball bearings.

The professor was first and reported that they were indeed perfect spheres. He had carried out a roll test to verify this and both balls had moved the exact same distance, as near as he was able to judge, one hundred times during that set hour.

The housewife was next up and reported that when held up at the same height and released, the ball bearings had landed at the exact same instant, proving that their weight, and density, were exact, as was their shape and size, allowing no variance in air resistance during the falls.

Finally, it was the coppers turn. After one hour the scientists entered the room and found penis graffiti scratched on all the walls, ceiling, and floor, and the copper was scratching his intials into the desktop with the sharp edge of one broken ball bearing.
"This one's knackered," he reported. "Fu@k knows what happened to the other one."
The old RUC saying ,"If you can't eat it, drink it or feck it you break it"

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HSF

LE
Because they're a "bunch of easy-life, time-wasting, socialists" ?
You're painting with a broad brush.
no,sorry my reply skipped a comment or so,I was referring to the repercusions & agrevation that can follow the use of a firearm especially if a death results
 

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