Should the UK follow canadas model for Quebecs independence?

#1
Been a bit on the Scottish news today about the effect the push for Scotland to leave the union might be having in Canada and Spain. There has been more than a bit of type on here re Scottish independence, but if the vote was to include England Wales and Northern Ireland as well as just Scotland, I wonder if it would be for or against, or if the rest of the UK is as divided as I believe Scotland is on this issue.

This is quite an interesting read I thought.

This week has seen a clash between David Cameron and Scotland’s First Minister’ Alex Salmond over a referendum on Scottish independence. Looking at the three decades of conflict between Quebec’s independence movement and the Canadian government, Françoise Boucek argues that the complexity of the independence question may mean that we will see a long war of attrition between Westminster and Holyrood.

Canada’s war points to the challenges ahead for Westminster and Holyrood. Canadian federalism requires constitutional changes to be approved unanimously by all provinces. For instance, the 1990 Meech Lake Accord sought Quebec’s endorsement of the constitution by recognising it as a distinct society. However, Manitoba and Newfoundland rejected the concept, leading to a new agreement – the Charlottetown Accord – which in turn was rejected by Canadians in a 1992 national referendum by a margin of 55% to 45% on a 72% turnout.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/2012/01/12/scotland-quebec-referendums/
 
#2
The delays and wrangling in the Canadian case seem down to the fact that Canada is a federation. Since Britain's a constitutional Monarchy, that isn't a problem. The only person who needs to agree, ultimately, is HMTQ.
 
#3
The delays and wrangling in the Canadian case seem down to the fact that Canada is a federation. Since Britain's a constitutional Monarchy, that isn't a problem. The only person who needs to agree, ultimately, is HMTQ.
But then she has to agree with the opinion of the Government.....
 
#5
What would be the outcome of HMQ to refuse to give Royal Assent to an Independent Scotland Bill?
 
#7
Yes we are in uncharted waters as the old saying goes.

Not that that would make much difference to the RN even when its been charted for a few hundred years they still cant navigate their bits of kit round sand banks.:fish:
 

TheIronDuke

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#9
Many would call for the Queen to step down and for Britain to become a republic...
Then many of them would find people quite prepared to stroll about the streets with pickaxe handles. Because they have a dodgy hip and they need pickaxe handles to walk. Then maybe the island would wake up and admit that what we actually like is a constitutional monarchy. And pop. And lashings of custard.
 
#10
Don't get me wrong I'm very much a monarchist, having sworn the same oath as many of you, but the vast majority of the population would be very uneasy about HM refusing to sign a bill by parliament into law.
 
#11
**** me. Eleven posts on Scottish independence and it's holding up as a semi-intellectual discussion on the constitutional minefield that would result. Still, time yet for it to denegenerate. I'll start. It's our ****ing oil you toff bastards....:)
 

CanteenCowboy

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#13
What would be the outcome of HMQ to refuse to give Royal Assent to an Independent Scotland Bill?

What if she didn't refuse, and instead just sent wee mad Eck to the Tower for a very, very close neck shave. It's not that I don't want independance, as no one has made an argument yet that (both pro and anti), it's the arrogance of wee eck and his smarmy gang all thinking we will blindly vote yes because they say so and they know better than us.....

Oh carp me blood pressure going through the roof again......
 

Bouillabaisse

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#15
Don't get me wrong I'm very much a monarchist, having sworn the same oath as many of you, but the vast majority of the population would be very uneasy about HM refusing to sign a bill by parliament into law.
With the way politicians are regarded at the moment, of any stripe or hue, the Queen exerting her authority might be a damn sight more popular than you think and a more ambitious monarch might be tempted to re-enter politics in this way. The trouble is emotionally I'd love it to happen, so thank god for democracy and our country that HMG has more intelligence and restraint than us.
 

TheIronDuke

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#16
It's our ****ing oil you toff bastards....:)
Hi. A tad damp, what? But I see you are dressed for it, what? I fear you have wandered off the path. What? Ah yes. I own the peninsular pretty well. Right down to the lake. Sorry. Loch. Loch. What? Is English your first language? What?

Ah, yes. I see. No, we do not live here. We pop up for a week or so in the Spring. The wife likes the drive. Then of course we are here for a fortnight or so in early autumn for the shooting. A chum owns that mountain over there. From the 10' deer fence right across and down to the big sea lake on the other side. What? Ah yes. The loch.

Well, one should love to stay and chat, but if you go back about three miles and hook a left at the sign that says "Strictly private. No vehicular access. No camping. Trespassers will be prosecuted." and hook a left you will find the public footpath half a mile up the brae.

Oh, and in 1999 we shifted the marine boundary from Berwick on Tweed to Carnoustie. So we own the ****ing oil. Now get off of my land.
 

CanteenCowboy

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#18
Hi. A tad damp, what? But I see you are dressed for it, what? I fear you have wandered off the path. What? Ah yes. I own the peninsular pretty well. Right down to the lake. Sorry. Loch. Loch. What? Is English your first language? What?

Ah, yes. I see. No, we do not live here. We pop up for a week or so in the Spring. The wife likes the drive. Then of course we are here for a fortnight or so in early autumn for the shooting. A chum owns that mountain over there. From the 10' deer fence right across and down to the big sea lake on the other side. What? Ah yes. The loch.

Well, one should love to stay and chat, but if you go back about three miles and hook a left at the sign that says "Strictly private. No vehicular access. No camping. Trespassers will be prosecuted." and hook a left you will find the public footpath half a mile up the brae.

Oh, and in 1999 we shifted the marine boundary from Berwick on Tweed to Carnoustie. So we own the ****ing oil. Now get off of my land.
You do know that the access laws reagarding private property in Scotland are different? Hmm?
 
#20
Given the propensity Scottish politicians have for dropping dead at a relatively young age what would happen to the desire for independence if Wee Eck suddenly piled in?How much of it is driven simply by his ego?
 

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