Should the RN be dry?

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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#1
Scanning the DT today I came across two sulphurous letters insisting that Jolly Jack, ships and alcohol are a bad combination and that the alcohol bit should be made illegal as the Andrew is only an alcopop short of launching random nuclear strikes. The reaction seems a bit extreme to me but I wondered what the more informed view was:

Royal Navy should adopt a zero-alcohol policy - Telegraph
 
#2
Interesting letter. Captain Peter Newton is either stupid or being deliberately obtuse with what he writes. The reported drinking took place whilst the sub was in port and the submariners were staying in hotels, not while the sub was at sea and the submariners were on board.

I'm going with 'stupid'.
 
#3
No.

Next stupid question?
 
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#4
It did strike me that as the man ultimately responsible for discipline then it could be argued that the Captain of HMS Astute was, to some extent, responsible for the circumstances of his own murder. An opportunist Brief could probably get the accused Seaman some compo for failure in duty of care if he tried .....

Drinking culture has always been tolerated if not encouraged in the Services. I would argue that an Naval alcohol ban should be considered, they'd still have buggery and the lash for entertainment.
 
#5
When I saw the question I thought "of course they should be dry, if their boats leak there's a problem"!

But back to the real subject, bollocks, let 'em have a gargle if they're off duty.
 
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#6
Interesting letter. Captain Peter Newton is either stupid or being deliberately obtuse with what he writes. The reported drinking took place whilst the sub was in port and the submariners were staying in hotels, not while the sub was at sea and the submariners were on board.

I'm going with 'stupid'.
But the accused was allowed back on duty while still under the influenece. That has to be a lapse of discipline surely.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
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#7
Interesting letter. Captain Peter Newton is either stupid or being deliberately obtuse with what he writes. The reported drinking took place whilst the sub was in port and the submariners were staying in hotels, not while the sub was at sea and the submariners were on board.

I'm going with 'stupid'.
The good captain gave me the impression that he was some bitter old man run aground in the middle of Derbyshire who had spent his career stridently promoting increasingly extreme and impractical health and safety strategies while everyone else took the piss.
 
#9
Interesting letter. Captain Peter Newton is either stupid or being deliberately obtuse with what he writes. The reported drinking took place whilst the sub was in port and the submariners were staying in hotels, not while the sub was at sea and the submariners were on board.

I'm going with 'stupid'.
Captain Newton often writes letters to the DT, usually bollocks
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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#11
#12
I have to say NO.

On ships and submarines, there is a limit of three cans per man per day, which applies to Leading Hands and below. It is an offence to stockpile one's allowance. For Senior Rates there is no imposed limit.

When I served on nuclear submarines, most people rarely drank at sea, as the watch system was not conducive to getting bladdered as it was 6 on, 6 off for possibly 3 months at a time. However, if we went on a foreign jolly - WHEEEEEEE!!! For a start we stayed in hotels and for a second we got given cash in hand subsistence. So the lads did have the odd drinky or two!

The authors of the DT articles have no idea.

I was very saddened by the events on ASTUTE (it was not the CO that was killed, but the WEO) and I had thought that when on armed duty there was a no alcohol for the previous 24 hour rule. Maybe I'm wrong. Having said that, I am in favour of spot checking using breathylysers if it helps - random drug testing is accepted.
 
#13
On surface fleet: The beer fridge in the JR's is locked untill the pipe "beer key's" is made and a nominated member of the mess goes to the routines office to draw the keys from the duty PO. The fridge is open from 6 till 12 (depending on your ships GSO's). All ratings have to fill in a beer chit detailing how many cans they have in the fridge and how many they wish to withdraw from the naafi to put into the fridge (depending on the size of the cans this is either 2 or 3 this is your daily ration, if you drink you pay, if you don't drink you don't pay, you just sign the chit to get beer in the fridge. As Junior Rates we're not allowes any sprits onboard ship/boat unless the order "Splice the main brace" is given by HM, this is also the only time you can expect free alcohol from the RN.
 
#14
Soon to appear at a UK Army barracks or RAF station near you?

BBC News 4 Jan 2013 said:
...The inquest also heard the Royal Navy's rules on alcohol consumption at the time of the shootings stated that individuals were allowed no more than 10 units in the 24 hours before duty, with no alcohol to be consumed 10 hours before.

This has since changed to no more than five units...
Should the RN be dry? I hope not. As it is, this means no more than 2.5 pints of ale on a run ashore the day before turning to (i.e. starting one's daily duty on board) with none later than 2200.

I sincerely hope this tragic but isolated incident involving someone who was obviously mentally unstable and shouldn't have been in the Service anyway, let alone issued a weapon, won't lead to any knee-jerk reactions regarding the reasonable consumption of alcohol in the Royal Navy or any other Service. This lapse should have been spotted and corrected by the appropriate individuals at the time using long established procedures.

Since time immemorial, Captain's Standing Orders have tended to state, quite sensibly in my opinion, "Your drinking is your own affair until you make it mine." Any draconian measures will just lead to secret, unsupervised drinking with all the associated problems that presents.
 
#16
I hope they don't close the puckered Star fish in the FI MPA block, it was the only place to get after hour drinks.....

How the hell can they monitor what you drink off duty especially when the RN are on shore leave....yes its up to the individual to make sure they are fit for duty and drink responsible but the the responsibility of who ever gave him that weapon and his CofC on that duty to say if he was fit. As Guard commander, ROS and ROO I have sent individuals back from duty mounts for being under the influence and after a bollocking and subsiquent extra guard duties they learn the hard way but at least haven't gone on stag pissed. Just because of this tragic events the 99% of all forces who regulary play the game and ensure they are fit for duty will suffer whilst idiot officers and civil servants will come out with new guidelines in their Mess or the cabinet bar over a few brandies.
 
#17
Almost all shipping companies now impose zero-alcohol policies on their merchant seamen, rigorously enforced by regular drug and alcohol testing. At any given moment and in all weather conditions, our waters are full of very large container ships, ferries and merchantmen operated by very small crews of dedicated professional seamen who remain alert and in control of their vessels at all times.

Why do the bastards keep running aground then?
 
#18
When I saw the heading, I thought what do they need water for they have flogged all their boats, but let them have a grog or two to drown their sorrows when off duty.
 
#19
The Senior Service was built (among other things) on Grog, sailors would always on a 'run ashore' drink more than their own body weight...................so it will or should be always. Discipline would seem to have sustained, other than this one incident?

Such as the good Captain carping on to the general media makes me wonder what his priorities are and indeed were his loyalties lie
 

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