Should the Defence Security School depart from Chicksands

Should the Defence Security School depart from the Depot of the Intelligence Corps and CDI`s Trainin

  • Padlock counting is a distraction at best, and is more frequently conunter productive, get rid! shou

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  • If you want to be a padlock counter, you should join a separate Corps: should probably move away

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  • Security is suppsed to Enable and not Constrain the operation, still not sure if Plod + DSSO are the

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  • The Risk Management approach to security has yet to be embraced by Defence and realise its true valu

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  • Only the Intelligence Corps has the ethos to keep the hard won lessons of Counter Intelligence alive

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#1
Proposals are well under way to move the Defence Security School down to the South Coast. A welcome breath of fresh air is about to blow through Chicksands as the Community can start to breathe from the far purer atmosphere of more refined intellectual processes.

The Navy and the Air Force both recognise that Padlock-Counting belongs with Plod, so how come the Army is always out of step?In these overcommitted times why are we running round trying to deploy on ops and then meet the infrastructure needs of a load of RO's when we come back home ( when everyone else is on leave, training or courses?).

I sense we may be pushing at an open door here. Lets hope the current management have the balls to make the change that the war-fighting challenges of the new millenium demand, and send security back to Plod. If we were supposed to do security we would be called the The Intelligence and Security Corps
 
#2
Oh, okay then..... you can be called the Int and Sy Corps. Better now? (Please lock up behind you.)
 
#3
Security involves a lot more than counting padlocks despite our jovial banter with the Darksiders on the matter.

Identifying and countering the threat go hand in hand, Counter Intelligence or Security Intelligence opportunities arise from security visits or investigations.
 
#4
The Navy and the Air Force both recognise that Padlock-Counting belongs with Plod
I have also seen 10-15yr full screw crabs sat on their lazy arrses doing the bare f'ing minimum.

COUNTER INTELLIGENCE being part of the INTELLIGENCE Corps!!!!

When we do it, we do it well! As for a move, why move from what is virtually a new build site with some of the best facilities to go to somewhere that is probably a lifesize replica of chernobyl or worse - BULFORD!!!!!!!!!!! If anything we should be moving up north were the true intelligencia reside!
 
#5
Do you mean the RAF P&SS??

where the ss side of it have their own CI/SI sections, because even they recognise that CI/SI work is separate from normal plod duties.
 
#6
Is there a link between the weight of numbers in this poll and the option that will be finally selected?

I think not, if there is, its inverse.

All the Armys specialist security sections have been downgraded from Major's commands to Captains, probably to free up space for more OF 4 slots for the Regular transferee officers. Those specialist sections are nothing more than a body-shop to serve the committments requirment.

The Int Corps gave all the Accreditor's staff slots away to the RAF years ago, as well as a number of J2 CI slots.

Even with 2m-resolution, 20 year old sensors, the writing is clearly on the wall.......
 
#7
adastra said:
Is there a link between the weight of numbers in this poll and the option that will be finally selected?

I think not, if there is, its inverse.

All the Armys specialist security sections have been downgraded from Major's commands to Captains, probably to free up space for more OF 4 slots for the Regular transferee officers. Those specialist sections are nothing more than a body-shop to serve the committments requirment.

The Int Corps gave all the Accreditor's staff slots away to the RAF years ago, as well as a number of J2 CI slots.

Even with 2m-resolution, 20 year old sensors, the writing is clearly on the wall.......
Ahh, adastra, not only stupid - but ill informed, like much of the RAF as this link exemplifies. Been in hiding have you, or just surfaced for your usual uneducated fishing trip to see if anyone will bite?

Our specialist security sections were changed from Maj's slots to Capt's because it is difficult, even for us, to justify an SO2 (that's a Sqn Ldr to you) in charge of 6-8 blokes. As this happened several years ago, it's good to see how ahead of the power curve you are - as per usual. Another reason for this change was operational commitments, something the RAF have always had little grasp of with their arduous 4 month tours.

The only reason the RAF fill CI posts is because their policeman have nothing to do (now that civilians or MPGS man the gates), unlike our people. As long as idiots like the P&SS mess up jobs like Cyprus and treat security as a crime, there will always be a role for those that have no provost role to undertake Sy/CI duties.

I take it that when you miserably failed the Army entrance test, the recruiter sent you downstairs to the RAF careers office, only this can explain your somewhat warped perceptions and your inability to use a spell checker..................
 
#8
Op_Int_and_Spy said:
Ahh, adastra, not only stupid - but ill informed, like much of the RAF as this link exemplifies. ..........
Well I followed the link with eager anticipation.......

Op_Int_and_Spy said:
What type of (single source only because you're RAF) Int Analyst are you?
... and found that your own words underpin your own lack of understanding about other parts of the community.

Next time you meet someone who is able to serve for slightly more more than 22 years in the Intelligence Community, I'm sure if you ask them nicely, they will take the time to tell you about COMINT, SIGINT, MASINT and MIR, as well as IMINT and OPINTEL

You might ask them what a MAeOp does, but they would have to kill you afterwards. You probably not have been round long enough to have heard of one anyway.

If my memory serves me the RAF served in JFIT roles on both Corporate and Granby and have deployed to Houses on GRAPPLE

( PM me if you are too young to remember MIR and Corporate)
 
#9
adastra said:


Those specialist sections are nothing more than a body-shop to serve the committments requirment.

I have to butt in and say that although you might be experienced in other fields, you are sadly misinformed regarding the role of these Specialist Security Sections. Why else would they be retained as HQ LAND level assets to direct. With the threat changing rapidly they are now even more important.
 
#12
adastra said:
....If my memory serves me .....
You see what happens when you serve beyond your bodies capabilities?

You become senile, forgetfull and make arrse comments.


:)
 
#13
adastra said:
Is there a link between the weight of numbers in this poll and the option that will be finally selected?

I think not, if there is, its inverse.

There is definitely a link between ill-informed individuals roaming around another Arms site, using tenuous links to past endeavours to verify their fatuous grandiloquence, and the inability to type English or use a spell-checker!
 
#14
Bound_Apprentice said:
.....individuals roaming around another Arms site,
The Royal Air Force is a Service not another arm, a Service that has been around a few years more than the Intelligence Corps

....using tenuous links to past endeavours ......
so sounds like you are a sprog as well then??
 
#15
adastra said:
Bound_Apprentice said:
.....individuals roaming around another Arms site,
The Royal Air Force is a Service not another arm, a Service that has been around a few years more than the Intelligence Corps

....using tenuous links to past endeavours ......
so sounds like you are a sprog as well then??
Wrong again! If the blue fluffy cap fits.........
 
#16
adastra said:
Next time you meet someone who is able to serve for slightly more more than 22 years in the Intelligence Community, I'm sure if you ask them nicely, they will take the time to tell you about COMINT, SIGINT, MASINT and MIR, as well as IMINT and OPINTEL

You might ask them what a MAeOp does, but they would have to kill you afterwards. You probably not have been round long enough to have heard of one anyway.
You forgot ELINT. And ACINT. Oh, and OSINT = Open Source INT.

On the latter subject, I suggest that instead of bashing your gums here, you give this forum the benefit of your CI/PS wisdom - some of the ‘intelligence professionals’ of the RAF appear to have very shabby PERSEC/OPSEC.

Or perhaps a mere civilian simply has higher standards than the RAF?

M_C
 
#17
adastra said:
Op_Int_and_Spy said:
Ahh, adastra, not only stupid - but ill informed, like much of the RAF as this link exemplifies. ..........
Well I followed the link with eager anticipation.......

Op_Int_and_Spy said:
What type of (single source only because you're RAF) Int Analyst are you?
... and found that your own words underpin your own lack of understanding about other parts of the community.

Next time you meet someone who is able to serve for slightly more more than 22 years in the Intelligence Community, I'm sure if you ask them nicely, they will take the time to tell you about COMINT, SIGINT, MASINT and MIR, as well as IMINT and OPINTEL

You might ask them what a MAeOp does, but they would have to kill you afterwards. You probably not have been round long enough to have heard of one anyway.

If my memory serves me the RAF served in JFIT roles on both Corporate and Granby and have deployed to Houses on GRAPPLE

( PM me if you are too young to remember MIR and Corporate)
Now where do I start with the useless crab? Not that that term narrows it down much, but here goes:

From your own services web-site, there are 3 trades with in the RAF non-commissioned ranks, Int Analyst, Int Analyst (Voice), Int Analyst (Imagery). Last time I had the dubious pleasure of working with the RAF, the Int Analyst was known as Int Analyst (Comms) and the job description on the website indicates this is still the case. By the way, this is called OSINT, something an old timer such as yourself may not be too familiar with as it is one of the newer methods of collection and analysis.

All the above mentioned jobs are single source analysis, either Voice, Comms or Imagery. The clue is really there in the job title. Whilst an RAF imagery analyst may go off and do other more interesting Int work with the Army, 99% of them never leave imagery. According to my research this is also the case with the other 2 trades.

Last time I checked a MAeOp was an RAF WO that does EW in an aircraft, funnily enough you don't have to kill anyone to know this as it's all in the public domain, much like your lack of knowledge and penchant for gobbing off.

I'm glad your enjoying reminiscing about past glories, it's obviously been some years since you deployed anywhere. I certainly wouldn't boast about deploying with a JFIT or working in a Balkans house. Some of the TA idiots the Army (certainly not exclusive to my Corps) have sent to these jobs is frankly frightening, so I shudder to think what useless creatures the RAF gets to go.

You posts are right about one thing though, the Intelligence Corps is much younger than the RAF. You should never forget, however, that we are (rightly so) still much more senior.

I remember CRmeansCeilingReached writing to some other mong that "if you want a battle of wits you shouldn't come unarmed" you should take his advice.............................
 
#18
Op_Int_and_Spy said:
By the way, this is called OSINT, something an old timer such as yourself may not be too familiar with as it is one of the newer methods of collection and analysis.
By far the best equipped classroom in chicksands is the one resourced by an RAF officer for RAF training. The branch has been there for over 5 years and deals in all source fusion. You should drop in and say hello one day

Op_Int_and_Spy said:
Whilst an RAF imagery analyst may go off and do other more interesting Int work with the Army, 99% of them never leave imagery. According to my research this is also the case with the other 2 trades.
you need to have a look round PJHQ, DIS and the AWC, Int Ans are not necessarily employed in single source roles in those establishments

Op_Int_and_Spy said:
I certainly wouldn't boast about deploying with a JFIT or working in a Balkans house. Some of the TA idiots the Army (certainly not exclusive to my Corps) have sent to these jobs is frankly frightening, so I shudder to think what useless creatures the RAF gets to go.
Boasting :?: : I was stating a series of facts to correct a degree of arrogance and ignorance that was being displayed around here

Op_Int_and_Spy said:
You posts are right about one thing though, the Intelligence Corps is much younger than the RAF..........
I remember CRmeansCeilingReached writing to some other mong that "if you want a battle of wits you shouldn't come unarmed" you should take his advice.............................
I'm still waiting for the battle of wits, all I can see here are more subjective, ignorant, outpourings of an apparently angry young man. You certainly need to get out and broaden your horizons a bit :wink:
 
#19
WHY OH WHY OH WHY...ADASTRA?

Why do you feel the need to come to the ARMY Rumour Service? We know you feel disappointed, hurt and rejected by your inability to join our beloved and glorious Corps, and almost certainly by some Int Corps soldier(s) getting his leg over with a young lady you may have felt an attachment to...

but really, let go! The bitternes doesnt suit you! Much.

Oh and if you think a 37 year career in the Int Corps cannot be achieved you are very sadly mistaken. The difference between an Int Corps 37 year career and an Air Farce one is...you actually need to be quite talented to achieve it in the Int Corps, achieving promotions to WO1 and Commissioning on merit, not on time served.
 
#20
adastra,

I love you (beer goggles), it's been years since I've been called a young man. Although I'm obviously younger than the RAF Int Cpls I outrank and possibly you. With regards to PMs, don't assume what I post is the complete sum of my knowledge. If you knew more about the security (that's the simple [or RAF] description of counter intellience by the way) side of life, you'd know what I've been indoctrinated in doesn't equate to what I clumisly post - unlike yourself.
 

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