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Should National Service be brought back?

#2
Trick said:
Discuss.
Bearing in mind that National Service isn't the same as Military service.
Do you mean like a "social or military service" option?
 

Trick

War Hero
#3
Yes. eg fire service, ambulance care assistant etc

Although I do think there should be a compulsory fitness part of the service, like you have when you join up, to combat obesity.
 
#4
I think it would be a great idea although, would be a huge cultural shift for the country as a whole. A huge number of people do this anyway, but giving it a focus and making it "whole nation" would be very positive.
 

Trick

War Hero
#6
A 180 degree turn about and go back to way it was shift though.
It'd solve (to an extent):
Anti-social behaviour
Obesity
Make war less likely
Make conflicts we do commit ourselves more winnable
Help the services that people would work in

SparkySteve said:
Would it be too late to solve the problems of the last (two, perhaps?) generation(s)?
Irrelevant. Something has got to be done to try to solve it. And then we'll find out.
 
#7
Trick said:
A 180 degree turn about and go back to way it was shift though.
It'd solve (to an extent):
Anti-social behaviour
Obesity
Make war less likely
Make conflicts we do commit ourselves more winnable
Help the services that people would work in
And re-instil the pride of Britain that seems to be oh so lacking nowadays?

Trick said:
SparkySteve said:
Would it be too late to solve the problems of the last (two, perhaps?) generation(s)?
Irrelevant. Something has got to be done to try to solve it. And then we'll find out.
Im all for it. School leaving age =18 soon, so you could have the choice to leave school at 15 / 16 and go vocational with a few years of National Service in either the Armed Forces or other National Institutions, or take an acedemic route and have a 6-year stay, and then you do a few years service, albeit with sanctions regarding your higher level of education?
 

Trick

War Hero
#8
[quote="SparkySteve]

Im all for it. School leaving age =18 soon, so you could have the choice to leave school at 15 / 16 and go vocational with a few years of National Service in either the Armed Forces or other National Institutions, or take an acedemic route and have a 6-year stay, and then you do a few years service, albeit with sanctions regarding your higher level of education?[/quote]

Agreed. Another possible option is random lottery? Although I don't think that'd solve societies ill's as effectively.

How about a few Penal Regiments? And a Foreign Legion type regiments (although with a better name than Foreign Legion)?

We might even be able to train the RM into something military-like :p
 
#9
I think a Random Lottery would be opposed, stronger than a choice option.

Also, i think that having it solely focused on the Military would not be very welcome, in the present climate!

Could broaden it into immigration as well, "You want to come here, you do two years in a Force of your choice as soon as, then you wil be eligible for citizenship"
 
#10
And of course it would increase members in the regular forces, and other services. And make sure that immigrants can speak english (although which immigrants we have to do service? ones from outside the eu or?...).
Another thing national service would help solve - unemployment.

Can we have someone enter the thread saying that this idea is in breach of people's rights etc?
 
#11
Sod peoples rights, too long have they been hidden behind.

All immigrants, from all countrys. Also might make the shirkers who came here without intent think twice about raising shirking kids.
 
#13
Random_Task said:
It's not the job of the HMF's to solve UK societies ills. I think national service should only be brought back when there's an actual military need,as opposed to wanting to 'knock some sense into da yoof'.
Why not? Surely the aim of the forces is to protect the country? So why can't it be used to protect the country from itself?
 
#14
Doesn't have to be military, could be meals on wheels, reading to blind kids, building community centres, cleaning national monuments. Give them something they could be proud of 20 years down the line. I know if as an 18 year old I spent a year cleaning statues I would be mighty displeased if I saw someone drawing grafitti on it!
The problem as I see it, is finding enough meanigful projects that could actually be monitored so people actually do them.
 
#15
Random Task, you didn't read the first post did you? (or first 3 posts)

And isn't the military a service to society? So why can it not be part of the solution to societies ill's today?
 
#16
Trick said:
Random_Task said:
It's not the job of the HMF's to solve UK societies ills. I think national service should only be brought back when there's an actual military need,as opposed to wanting to 'knock some sense into da yoof'.
Why not? Surely the aim of the forces is to protect the country? So why can't it be used to protect the country from itself?
It isn't the job of the Forces, but if we are superbly suited and positioned to carry out the task why not?

I would like to see the National Service covering Fire, Ambulance and Police (with approrpriate training), Armed Forces esp in a support role and all could cover the various contingency type tasks.

The RNLI could perhaps benefit from similar status, nurse auxilaries on the wards to help out, and in oap homes

Obviously with various checks.

National Service would also encompass the unemployed and convicted.

6 months dole, long enough to find a job and then on to state employment. Parks need sweeping, roads need road kill and litter removing. Old cars and other items need stripping down to their component parts for recycle.

The less tasty jobs would go to the convicts. Convicted of a crime, but not a danger to society? Move in to a bail hostel, you will be expected to pay food and accomodation, up at silly o'clock to go out and collect refuse. Then go to work (or have it set for you) then go out and clean the streets.

Back to you bed.

Those in prison would sort the rubbish. Others would power huge tread mills for electricity. And they would be billed food and accomodation.

Works for me.
 
#17
the subject of national service has been done before.

My view remains the same. National Service either civilian or military is not viable because we could only make our own citizens abide by it. Non Britains could just give it the finger and still be queuing up for the state handouts they get for doing nothing.

Furthermore if we did make our own citizens undertake National Service who would take over the jobs they would have been doing. Foreign workers more than likely. What happens when the service is done and they try to find work again. No jobs as experienced foreign workers are already doing them.

However i am in favour of immigrants and longterm unemployed working in the community rather than doing nothing and being a burden on th estate. At least they would earn the benefits they are paid.

I suggested in a previous post that potential immigrants be offered citizenship in return for military service. I still think this idea should be a part of the package offered to potential immigrants.
 
#18
I know for a fact i wouldnt want those youth of today cnuts beside me in a warzone *******! we are not the best army in the world for letting any cnut in :)
 
#19
Start by recruiting the best and the brightest, put them through a central depot for military style (very) basic training then send them on to the Police Force, Fire Brigade, Ambulance, Lifeboats, Customs and Coastguard according to aptitude and preference.

Gradually expand the scheme and create fresh depots to supply the NHS, schools, Forestry Commision, museums and libraries etc. until every 18 year old expects to be drafted.

Every kid would leave home at 18 and be subjected to a period of discipline in a barracks and then perform a few years of compulsory uniformed service. They might mature faster, be better citizens and maybe even have a good time in the process. Society would benefit from the available manpower and addition to public services and people might retain life long links with the institutions they serve in. Volunteering and helping could become a way of life for a lot of people.
I would back this scheme up with the proviso that conscripts are subject to a form of discipline similar to Queens Regs and set aside a seperate prison for those who refuse service or offend during service.

I would keep the armed services as a professional paid career. Anybody already liable for national service would be allowed to volunteer for the army in the normal way. There would probably be a large increase in volunteers if the army remained a paid job and national service conscripts received only an allowance. If this were the case the army would be able to significantly raise recruiting standards and make basic training harder.
 
#20
callum13 said:
I know for a fact i wouldnt want those youth of today * beside me in a warzone *******! we are not the best army in the world for letting any cnut in :)
"youth of today" ?! Tell that to the young guys out in Afghan.
 

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