Should London hold the 2012 Olympics?

Should Laahndon hold the 2012 Olympic games?

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#1
As requested, Calypso!
 
#2
I think it would be a spiffingly marvellous thing if our fantastic capital city were to hold the olympics.

As long as they fecking well pay for it all and don't expect me to put me hand in me pocket!!! :D :D
 
#3
I voted No for the following reasons:

We can't afford it. Although the East End needs renovation, this is not the way to do it. It will turn into another Domesque boondoggle.
It's being used as a smokescreen to distract people from real, genuine problems caused by Tony et al over the last 8 years in true Roman "Bread and Games" tradition.
3 of the 400 olympic disciplines are denied to British citizens for political reasons - this goes against the whole "sport for all" ethos.
They will build new shooting ranges in London, give Sec. 5 exemptions for the foreign pistol competitors, and after the games will knock the ranges down - why not invest this money in Bisley & repeal the 1997 act so that British competitors can train at home?
The London transport system won't cope.
If the bid is won, it will be used as a "Aren't Tony & Red Ken fantastic" propaganda piece to deflect from Tony's record in office - they don't want the games for its own sakes, they want it as a platform for political grandstanding.

I could probably go on...
 
#4
Why shouln't we want to host the Olympics (or Al-impics as the BBC will have it).

What an opportunity for peoples from all over the world to see what we have in the UK, then stay here or atttempt to get in via numerous back doors.

Suggestions for a new Olympic event ? - must have participants in x (20 ?) countries in 3 of 5 continents.

What about Blair/Bush baiting?. The very modern Pentathlon would give an opportunity for them to get it 5 ways.

Oh my God, I'm rambling,,,,, time for work, said Zebedee.
 
#5
stoatman said:
As requested, Calypso!
I said 'sensible' Stoats, not deranged! :D

I have voted 'No' - not becuuse it is a bad idea per se, it's just that the whole thing stinks of 'bread and circuses' to me.

Country going down the tubes? Massive apathy at large? General dissatisfaction with the ways things are being run? Then let's hold a hugely (ruinously) expensive and somewhat unpopular jamboree of fun, dancing and sports.

And mass transit for the masses! :D
 
#6
A certain letter was published in today's Torygraph, which may or may not have been written by someone who posts on here... I have access to the original, and it reads like this:

Sir,

It has come to my attention that there has been a
media blackout on one of the major drawbacks to the
London Olympic bid. Forget the lack of facilities or
infrastructure, and a transport system that makes
walking seem a time-saving option; there is an issue
more critical to the Olympic ethos - three of the
400-odd events in the Olympics are absolutely illegal
for British competitors to practise on home soil.
These events are Women's 25m Pistol, Men's 25m
rapid-fire pistol and Men's 50m pistol.

This means that Britain's top pistol shooter, Mick
Gault, has to travel to Switzerland to practise, and
is thus unlikely to gain a quota place in the Olympics
for the foreseeable future.

Perhaps the Government should admit that the 1997
Firearms act was not only futile, but was also
damaging to British sporting interests, and should
bring us back into line with the rest of Europe by
re-legalising this Olympic sport?

Yours sincerely,

xxxxxxxxxxxxx
As an exercise in newspaper editing, here's how it was printed:

British sportsmanship

Sir, Forget London's lack of facilities or
infrastructure; there is an issue more critical to its
Olympic bid - three of the events are illegal for
British competitors to practise on home soil.

The women's 25 m pistol, men's 25 m rapid-fire pistol
and men's 50 m pistol could not be held. At present,
Britain's top pistol shooter, Mick Gault, has to
travel to Switzerland to practise.

Perhaps the Government should admit that the 1997
Firearms Act was not only futile, but also damaging,
and bring Britain back into line with the rest of
Europe by re-legalising this sport?

Yours sincerely,

xxxxxxxxxxx yyyyyyy
 
#7
Ignoring for the moment that it is expensive, it will be at short notice(7 years to build everything) and some of the sports will be illegal the reason I voted No is that we as a country do not deserve to hold them.

To elaborate? This country is nearly bankrupt both morally and financially, we are over run with financial migrants, our taxation is overburdensome to the common working man, the government impliments laws that are misdirected in the extreme... I could go on but most of all this will be a political goldmine for TB and his cronies and not one benifit will come out of it for London and the country as a whole.

Rant, Rant, Rant
 
#8
Doesn't anyone remember why the pistol was banned in the first place??

I remember vividly. Maybe being a parent of infant school age children at the time made it worse for me...I don't know, but i'm not afraid to say that I wept in the NAAFI bar when the Dunblain news appeared on the telly that evening.

Although, it didn't stop a pal of mine handing his pistols in for the specified compensation, and going out and buying a higher powered, more accurate rifle instead. I had to see the wry humour in that!

Anyway, I do think that accredited sports men and women should be granted special dispensation to hone their sport on home soil. It surely wouldn't take too much thought about how it could be controlled.

So, my vote.....YES! Bring it here, and make it spectacular. The manchester games showed that we can do it well, and so what about the cost?? Yes, some venues will be temporary, but many will not, including the village, which will be returned to the capital as "affordable" housing. :roll:

And who said that Red Ken and Bliar will still be in power to reap the benefit of a successful bid?? Remember the Dome?? That was our blue freinds who started that off, but was badly mishandled by the Labour Govt (win-win for bliar....if it worked, then that could be put down to Labour taking over the reigns, if it didn't, then it was an ill-conceived idea of the Tories...the latter obviously happened).

Ah well......back to work...
 
#9
I shudder to think.

Just remember what opening ceremonies are like - a stage lifts, a children's choir sings a lifting tune that brings tears to the eyes, a runner arrives in the stadium, 2000 people in the middle turn over their banners, lo and behold, the Olympic rings appear as if by magic, the runner makes his way up the steps, a spark appears and blossoms into life, and the games are open.The crowd gasps and everyone cries. It's beautiful.

UK. Everyone's outside waiting for some bloke to turn up with the keys. The Olympic commission aren't there - they're trying to get their limos unclamped in some dingy office whose hallway smells of pish. The runner's got deviated by roadworks and fallen in a manhole. Hurricane Higgins manfully steps in and uses his zippo to light his farts to start the Olympic flame. Chas and Dave start up 'rabbit rabbit rabbit' as the official Olympic song, to the backdrop of 'Ginsters paties - sponsors to the London olympics' banners peeling off the chipboard barriers. John Prescott catches Seb Coe loking at him 'funny' and decks him. The first event is the Netto trolley dash, followed by the 'shot put' - the how far can I throw this washing machine off the tower block event.

You know it's true. Let somewhere else do it in style......
 
#10
stabtastic said:
I shudder to think.

Just remember what opening ceremonies are like - a stage lifts, a children's choir sings a lifting tune that brings tears to the eyes, a runner arrives in the stadium, 2000 people in the middle turn over their banners, lo and behold, the Olympic rings appear as if by magic, the runner makes his way up the steps, a spark appears and blossoms into life, and the games are open.The crowd gasps and everyone cries. It's beautiful.

UK. Everyone's outside waiting for some bloke to turn up with the keys. The Olympic commission aren't there - they're trying to get their limos unclamped in some dingy office whose hallway smells of pish. The runner's got deviated by roadworks and fallen in a manhole. Hurricane Higgins manfully steps in and uses his zippo to light his farts to start the Olympic flame. Chas and Dave start up 'rabbit rabbit rabbit' as the official Olympic song, to the backdrop of 'Ginsters paties - sponsors to the London olympics' banners peeling off the chipboard barriers. John Prescott catches Seb Coe loking at him 'funny' and decks him. The first event is the Netto trolley dash, followed by the 'shot put' - the how far can I throw this washing machine off the tower block event.

You know it's true. Let somewhere else do it in style......
There should be an emoticon for almost pishing yourself. Class real class :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
#11
Micky_Dees said:
Doesn't anyone remember why the pistol was banned in the first place??

I remember vividly. Maybe being a parent of infant school age children at the time made it worse for me...I don't know, but i'm not afraid to say that I wept in the NAAFI bar when the Dunblain news appeared on the telly that evening.
it has to be remembered that the weapons themselves are not Dangerous, it's who is behind the weapon.
banning it just punishes most decent law abiding Citizens, when even more powerful weapons are being sold on the black market and used by the criminal underworld who have no intention of applying for a licence.
re: Dunblain,if Hamilton didn't have a pistol he would have used a machete or a petrol bomb even a large Kitchen Knife. you could not change the intention of the man.
 

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#12
I vote NO as I live in Laahnden and will have to pay for it via my Ken Tax for the next fifty years.

I note that the only two major commercial sponsors thus far are British Airways and Virgin. Apart from them, almost all support has come from the Public Sector - e.g. those who are willing to spend my money for me.

Hold them in Paris. Better weather, I can get there in rather more comfort than I can most areas of East London (possibly faster as well), and better food to boot.
 
#13
I voted NO, As I live in the North it will be expensive to reach, and take bloody ages to get to (Milleumim dome anyone) It will end up over-budget, underused and unwanted.
 
#14
I vote no because I believe that the Olympics has gone the way of football in this country -- it is nothing more than an overhyped business that has relatively little to do with the original pursuit of human excellence and everything to do with making money and political capital.

The remarks about the illegality of three events serve to highlight the perverse nature of populist legislation that has been enacted in our name. I know some armed response officers who believed that even had they been sitting outside that school in Dunblane, they could have done little about it.

As with every crime of this type, the liberal horror of firearms hypnotises everyone into thinking that it would never have happened had the gun been banned. This really is utter bo||ocks and I firmly believe that we will look back on this period of our history with the same incredulity that we feel for McCarthyism.

I sometimes wonder if such legislation is passed because the British public are no longer able to follow reasoned logic...or perhaps it is because there is no-one left in authority who is capable of constructing such an argument.
 
#15
stickybomb said:
I sometimes wonder if such legislation is passed because the British public are no longer able to follow reasoned logic...or perhaps it is because there is no-one left in authority who is capable of constructing such an argument.
Nope! It's written, passed, and enacted by members of the legal profession as a form of job creation - like ambulance chasing. T0ssers!
 
#16
I say we don't need something else from our masters to conceal he fact that things are getting crappier by the day. Romans had games just for that reason. Perhaps we could show film of dear dear Paula collapsing to prove the games are cruel and publish Lord Coes bank statement to show that toffs take part. Then, once it has been confirmed cruel and eliteist - ban it like hunting?
 
#18
Total waste of money , how many foreigners will come to UK to take part and then disappear to join the hundreds of thousands of other parasites claiming benefit ?
 
#19
I have been reading Londonistan and it brought to light this little project which is planned to open for the Olympics.

Giant mosque for 40,000 may be built at London Olympics



A MASSIVE mosque that will hold 40,000 worshippers is being proposed beside the Olympic complex in London to be opened in time for the 2012 Games.



The project’s backers hope the mosque and its surrounding buildings would hold a total of 70,000 people, only 10,000 fewer than the Olympic stadium.
Its futuristic design features wind turbines instead of the traditional minarets, while a translucent latticed roof would replace the domes seen on most mosques. The complex is designed to become the “Muslim quarter” for the Games, acting as a hub for Islamic competitors and spectators.

“It will be something never seen before in this country. It is a mosque for the future as part of the British landscape,” said Abdul Khalique, a senior member of Tablighi Jamaat, a worldwide Islamic missionary group that is proposing the mosque as its new UK headquarters.

Tablighi Jamaat has come under scrutiny from western security agencies since 9/11. Two years ago, according to The New York Times, a senior FBI anti-terrorism official claimed it was a recruiting ground for Al-Qaeda. British police investigated a report that Mohammad Sidique Khan, leader of the July 7 London bombers, had attended its present headquarters in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire. In August, Bavaria expelled three members of the organisation on the grounds that it promoted Islamic extremism.

Defenders of Tablighi Jamaat say that it is not political and confines itself to humanitarian work. It was founded in India under the British Raj and has many members in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

The east London complex would have by far the largest capacity of any religious building in Britain. The biggest at present is the Baitul Futuh in Morden, Surrey, which holds about 10,000 worshippers. Liverpool’s Anglican cathedral, the largest Christian place of worship, has a capacity of 3,000.

The new building will be called the London Markaz (Arabic for centre) and will be built in place of an existing mosque on a 10-acre site 500 yards from the Olympic development.

The three-storey mosque will be designed to accommodate more than 40,000 worshippers. Its sweeping roof is intended to evoke tented cities.
The complex would include a garden, school, library and accommodation for visiting worshippers.

Islamic calligraphy would cover the walls and ceilings, the washing areas would have cascading water to mimic a stream, and the complex’s buildings would be adapted to allow extra worshippers during festivals such as Eid, accommodating a further 30,000 visitors.

Ali Mangera, the London and Barcelona-based architect who is designing the mosque, said: “People in this country build mosques with fake domes and plastic minarets to look like the mosques back home. Islam has traditionally been at the forefront of technology and change. The Markaz will reflect this. It will be more than a mosque. The whole idea behind it is to break down barriers.”

Mangera has previously worked with leading British architects including Zaha Hadid, designer of the Cardiff opera house. Mangera and Tablighi Jamaat are in negotiations with Newham council, the Greater London Authority and the Thames Gateway Development Corporation for planning permission.

Sunil Sahadevan, a planning officer at Newham council, said: “We are working towards the mosque application with the organisers and discussions are ongoing. The application will be finalised over the next year.”

It is estimated that the project would cost more than £100m and donations are being sought from Britain and abroad.
Tablighi Jamaat the group who are planning this incidentally is a group who run weekend camps in British mosques.
A quick search of wikipedia link
reveals they may not be all they seem.
Incidentally Waheed Zaman one of those arrested in the plane bombing plot attended these camps. He also met George Galloway.
 
#20
For all its imperfections, the Olympic Games is an amazing spectacle and a remarkable coup for the host nation. I can see a few glitches in the plan, such as the problems with staging sailing events at Portland, the road to which cannot cope with the normal tourist traffic, never mind an Olympic entourage.

Overall, however, I think our bid was well thought out, in utilising many existing facilities, cleaning up the arrse end of London, improving the London transport infrastructure and ensuring there will be no white elephants left at the end.

Bit of a pointless poll. It's coming, so tough titty.
 

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