Should Junior Leaders Regiments be ressurected?

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  1. With one of the findings of the Deepcut enquiry being that recruits 17 years old or younger be trained seperately is it now time that JLR regiments are reinstated? I think so, and with further thought many problems faced my todyas recruits can be addressed with the additional time scale the training involves.

    1. Fitness. A 1 year program will brilg (as it did in the past) JLR recruits up to a higher level of fitness than their adult counterparts.
    2. Education. The current problem of a low literacy and numeracy rate amongst all recruits can be removed by holding the same level of courses that the old JLR regiments used to have in place.
    3. More thorough training. A year can introduce more skills which stay for longer that depot trained soldiers.
    4. Retention. JLR trained soldiers always had longer army careers than their adult counterparts. You had up to 6 months to decied if you wanted to stay in the army in a JLR regiment. Usually those who hacked it beyond this had the slills and abilities to last a comlete army career. Now you are commited to your contract for several years by this point. If you don't like it you leave after not enjoying it for quite some time.
    5. Recruiting. You can get the school leavers to join, instaed of waiting until they are 17 - 18 and are either in college doing naff courses or have a girlfirend/crap job and can't be bothered or it is to much hassel.


    I think it is win-win for all involved, although I'll bet that there are some adult recruits here who will claim their 9 week course was just as good and as complete :roll:
     
  2. Never did JL's, came in as a direct entrant and to be honest it didn't do me any harm. Mind you previouse job may have helped :lol: or not :?

    But looking over your your argument above I would def' say yes and not before time either... Just who was the idiot who binned the idea in the first place?
     
  3. Did the army ever have YTS soldiers, I know the RAF did . When were JLR binned ?
     
  4. must have been in the last year or two? they were running when I was in, although going through name changes and reform etc
     
  5. The army only has Apprentices at Harrogate. JLR type training, but only for a select few. Junior Leaders were binned in 92 following options for saving a bob-or-two. Junior Leaders were a little different from Apprentice Colleges where (usually) techinal trades and skills were taught. JLR regimets were concerned with trianing futire NOCs\SNCOs via a year long syllabus which included mil training, education, leadership training and special to arms courses. The inf, Cav, RCT\RAOC, RA and others all had their own junior leaders regiments and were a major source of recruits.
     
  6. JL's was a good grounding for future squaddies i believe, i pesonally spent a year in dover as a JL (86) & thoroughly enjoyed it. :D :D

    i believe it would do the forces no harm in bringing it back & as stated iron out a few of them problems before they become TOO bad. :!: :!:
     
  7. I'm probably way off the mark here but I vaguely remember some PC type thing that meant that you couldn't kick ten tons of shite out of 16 year olds anymore, JLR was generally like a VERY strict school in uniform. It did me no harm and I think it is a great idea to bring it back, if only so that others can suffer as those that have gone before!

    Seriously though, I'm sure someone will correct me rapidly but I think it may have something to do with the age group and EU rules on labour etc - sorry for being vague but it was probably an alcohol induced conversation about swinging lamps and "in my day" type stuff.
     
  8. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    There was a troop of YTS juniors at Ouston (R Signals) back in 84-85. They trained the same but only got paid I think it was 25 quid a week.

    Juniors was great fun looking back. Ended up well trained and of course institutionalised, which meant you learned how to use the system not push against it. Lots of my intake are the SSM/RSMs and LE officers running things now. Indeed looking back a lot turned out to be quite high achievers with most making at least SNCO rank.
     
  9. As a product of the old IJLB I too think they should be brought back.
     
  10. With the increasing human rights agitation against "child soldiers" I think you'll find it a very low thought in the corridors of power
     
  11. but we could get some specialist instructors in i.e. - gary glitter, matthew kelly, any ex-deepcut nco's :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
     
  12. KTTE - okay, wide open (no pun intended) for that. I do, however, get a tad agitated when the likes of Amnesty, the UN (IIRC) and one or two others, lump our juniors in with the Lord's Rebel Army et al. I'm sure I'm wrong, but I don't have any recollection of juniors having to machete anybody to death as a form of initiation. No, KTTE, not even at Deepcut, before you do the obvious.
     
  13. They should definately bring JLRs back. JLRRE made me the fine upstanding man I am today :D

    (on second thoughts....... 8O )
     
  14. I was,nt a JL but a Junior soldier whereas I done 6mths basic as opposed to a year training as a JL. Although I could,nt see it at the time , the whole experiance was a very good one. To save costs invididual Regts/Corps should,nt have to have thier own JLRs as in the past, but a couple of all arms ones dotted around the country would do a world of good. I think the junior system is a very good idea & was quite saddened when it died a death in favour of "foundation colleges". Its a good chance to get good kids before they are lured away by other profesions & birds. Alot of kids are still undecided at what to do with thier life at 15/16 but by the time they are 18 the decsion is made for them near enough. The Army needs to tap into this so not to miss the boat.

    Regards LT.
     
  15. Exactly right. If you can promise a keen youngster travel, pay, training in a field which would have cost THEM money, and more importantly, a way out of his\her current enviroment\town then it will be too good an offer for many to miss. The fact that someone who did not do very well at school (for whatever reasons) can get paid, qualified and learn to live off their own backs and as part of a team should not be underrated as a recruiting tool.