Should IS Engr Sgts be doing same jobs as the Jnr Ranks?

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  1. I am after some feed back from you gents out there in the Signals as to whether or not the seniors should be performing jobs within the army that should be assigned to Junior ranks. Should we be doing more managerial type stuff and not humping and dumping like pack horses. Surely that is why we fight to go up the ranks.
     
  2. It depends.

    There are far to many IS bod primadonnas out there who have the attitude 'why should I or my blokes be sweeping the garages, we're special'. However, if there's such a huge disparity between trades in the same unit - working to different agendas - then perhaps it needs a management review. Perhaps there's not enough integration between what, after all, closely related groups of IS professionals.

    So, is it because there are only a handful of IS junior ranks? Give us more info boner.
     
  3. A new management review would be good. I do not think that there are a shortage of Jnrs within the trade it just seems to be abit of a waste using experienced SNCO's (not that there aren't alot of experienced Jnrs in todays army) to do the none management tasks. You are right in what you say that there are alot of primadonnas out there in the trade (the yes men and arse kissers) and maybe the corps has cocked up by allowing so many SNCO's to come across into the trade in the 1st place.
     
  4. Boner,

    Are you meaning IS type work or IS SNCO`s should be doing more Tp management?

    Youll find even in a Tech workshops Tech Sgts humping and dumping kit to be worked on. You getting fragged on Ops etc?

    Your trade is very top heavy anyway, there can onlybe so much "management" that needs doing.

    Need more info!
     
  5. Point 1. I don't think primadonnas in the trade are the same as 'yes men and arse kissers'. In my experience you get guys who think that because they can fix the OC's PC they're special and feel that they're far too valuable to be carrying out 1st Line Repairs on their kit. It's a totally outrageous snobbery of the "oh - that's an operator's job" worst kind. The arsekissers and yes men are a different beast, the people who are blatantly blinkered in anything which isn't promotion-oriented and for whom the be all and end all is that recommendation for promotion (or something shorter term like a gucci tour/course/project). That's their bottom line.

    Point 2. I do agree that the Corps has caused a problem by allowing (and continuing to do so until extremely recently) far too many senior ranks to move across. Especially Tech SSgts who didn't want the hassle ofgoing FofS and then saw a nice little number as IS Engrs. They are the same ones that want to be WOs in trade! Backdoor merchants of the worst kind, often like reformed smokers, bitter FofS-baiting idiots who seem to emanate jealousy out of every pore (yeah I know that sounds a bit melodramatic, but I always had a sense for drama).

    You're absolutely spot on. I couldn't manage a p1ss up in a brewery, but I can create work out of nothing! :wink:
     
  6. Not really seen much of the IS Sgts doing the same job as the jnrs in my unit. I think some good lateral thinking has given them positions in which they have to draw upon their experience and run the place for a change (unlike my first posting where it was me as a siggy and five sgts then no one had a choice in the matter). The downside to this is the in-trade sgts move away from the technical side of the job and become little more (not belittling the position but most I know prefer the IS side than boots and haircuts) than tp sgts.


    As an ex operator I feel that all the new lads out of the factory should be on the garage floor getting aquianted with the broom, it might make them appreciate the responsibility they have and the higher level of expectations from their peers and seniors.

    Couldn't agree more with that statement, but it seems like there is alot of them out there.
     
  7. Everyone is just jealous. IS Engineers are in fact Gods children. V V V clever people, playing with computers and numbers with dots or full stops in between them. All this and money too!! WOW.
     
  8. And they get to worship me.
     
  9. Boner,

    Not at 16 Sigs are we by any chance? It has been that way for at least 6 years. With the amount of kit used by the ARRC (which has grown considerably over that period) and the size of the IS Troop, then Seniors HAVE to hump and dump. Or are you quite happy to sit back with the other 10/15 Sgts and watch 3/4 Cpls, LCpls do all the work?

    If that is your idea of management then I hope I never have to work for you!!
     
  10. Darth_Fokker,

    I am not at 16 Sigs and I am not one of the 10/15 Sgts that is happy to let the Cpls do the work. I work for a civilian agency along with alot of other IS Bods and find that we are miss employed doing jobs that are not for our rank range. I have no problem with humping and dumping as there is obviously within a large unit a need to muck in. It just annoys me when soldiers within trades are mis-employed.
     
  11. I work for a civilian agency along with alot of other IS Bods and find that we are miss employed doing jobs that are not for our rank range. I have no problem with humping and dumping as there is obviously within a large unit a need to muck in. It just annoys me when soldiers within trades are mis-employed.

    Boner then the title of your thread is misleading.............................. Should IS Engr Sgts be doing same jobs as the Jnr Ranks? you emphasise IS Sgts this makes me believe then you have an attitude of contempt and disrespect to SNCOs of all other trades.

    Most guys are miss employed at one time or another I was my first posting was 7 sigs as a telemech (telephone engineer rigger airfields Cyprus Ni etc) siggie which made it quite difficult for me on my class one since I didnt know have much experience of my trade.I got through it though and then got posted to a proper mech unit and became very proficient in my trade.

    I was in TM troop 9 sigs with more SNCO than JNCOs but they all mucked in and just got on with job

    Forgive me here I might be talking out of turn here but I knew Some JNCOs who were better tradesmen than the SNCOs who were above them.

    If you feel that aggrieved stick in a prefference posting
     
  12. Boner then the title of your thread is misleading.............................. Should IS Engr Sgts be doing same jobs as the Jnr Ranks? you emphasise IS Sgts this makes me believe then you have an attitude of contempt and disrespect to SNCOs of all other trades.

    Although your point may be very valid. I do not have an attitude of contempt/disrespect for other SNCO's of other trades. It is just that there trade does not concern me.
     
  13. If you are humping and dumping your own PC equipment, then its part of the job and should be done by all ranks when required.

    Sgts and SSgt's are much more respected when they get stuck in with the lads. Leave the management to the IS Supervisors, its what they are trained for, and other seniors get stuck in operating and moving the equipment. If you don't like that then do the Supervisors course.
     
  14. I've been an IS op/Engr for a few years now and i haven't been to a single post that has enough Jnr Ranks to do all the work. I may be wrong but aren't you still classed as being in trade as a Sgt? If so, do the job you're paid to do you lazy £$%^"^&!!
     
  15. Hear hear. If a Sgt is so great at organising and motivating that doesn't need to hump'n'dump then fair play - however I don't know anyone yet who is THAT good!