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Should British Police be armed as standard 2018?

Should British police be routinely armed?

  • Yes

    Votes: 78 43.1%
  • No

    Votes: 103 56.9%

  • Total voters
    181
The majority of the British population don’t live in NI. And as with just about everything else in the Province, it’s a ‘special case’ and exceptions are made.

The point is that there is no legal reason that prevents the Police on the Mainland being trained to the same standard as non-specialist officer in the PSNI.
 
Trust me, there isn’t an armed profile below the level of AFO and what’s more, even if the ‘legalities’ surrounding it could be sorted out, there would be zero appetite to introduce one. Speak to your own FB - they will explain why.

I get the point you’re making but it’s sumply not achievable and for good reason.

I know that it doesn’t exist. That’s the point. I’m trying to explain the concept. I know for a variety of reasons that it won’t happen, but none of them are valid. Something that 99% of other countries can achieve is eminently doable unless you don’t want it to be.
 
The point is that there is no legal reason that prevents the Police on the Mainland being trained to the same standard as non-specialist officer in the PSNI.
Possibly not but there is 'best practice' (albeit, ever evolving) and it's a fair assumption that any use of a firearm will result in an investigation, court case and possibly an inquest, during which a surprising amount of time is spent looking at matters such as training, capability, command decision making and intelligence available prior, during and subsequent to the event in question - I.e., not just the actions of the Cop during the immediacy of the moment. You know all of this.

No sane leaders of an organisation (in this case, senior police officers and Government Ministers) would expose themselves by pushing out a barely trained and non-competent individual to wreak havoc on the streets of Gotham City. The grief would be rolling in multiple directions.

Such an armed Cop is more than likely going to be a danger to themselves more than anything else.
 
Possibly not but there is 'best practice' (albeit, ever evolving) and it's a fair assumption that any use of a firearm will result in an investigation, court case and possibly an inquest, during which a surprising amount of time is spent looking at matters such as training, capability, command decision making and intelligence available prior, during and subsequent to the event in question - I.e., not just the actions of the Cop during the immediacy of the moment. You know all of this.

No sane leaders of an organisation (in this case, senior police officers and Government Ministers) would expose themselves by pushing out a barely trained and non-competent individual to wreak havoc on the streets of Gotham City. The grief would be rolling in multiple directions.

Such an armed Cop is more than likely going to be a danger to themselves more than anything else.

All of which is exactly the same in NI. Everything that happens after a Mainland cop pulls the trigger happens when an NI cop pulls the trigger.

I have never been that impressed with RUC or PSNI weapon training but to call them 'barely trained and non-competent' is a massive exaggeration. Every PSNI con walks out of the depot qualified to carry a weapon on and off duty, somehow they all manage, not sure why some people seem so convinced their counter parts on the Mainland won't be able to.
 
All of which is exactly the same in NI. Everything that happens after a Mainland cop pulls the trigger happens when an NI cop pulls the trigger.

I have never been that impressed with RUC or PSNI weapon training but to call them 'barely trained and non-competent' is a massive exaggeration. Every PSNI con walks out of the depot qualified to carry a weapon on and off duty, somehow they all manage, not sure why some people seem so convinced their counter parts on the Mainland won't be able to.
Fair point but that's not who I was referring to - I should have been clearer. I was referring to the concept of a less-than AFO put forward by @wetsmonkey
 
Have anyone seen the outrage by the #lammy et al over the moped strikes?

Can you imagine the outcry if those little soldiers were engaged in other means?

The media need a head wobble, certain parts of politics also.
 
Possibly not but there is 'best practice' (albeit, ever evolving) and it's a fair assumption that any use of a firearm will result in an investigation, court case and possibly an inquest, during which a surprising amount of time is spent looking at matters such as training, capability, command decision making and intelligence available prior, during and subsequent to the event in question - I.e., not just the actions of the Cop during the immediacy of the moment. You know all of this.

No sane leaders of an organisation (in this case, senior police officers and Government Ministers) would expose themselves by pushing out a barely trained and non-competent individual to wreak havoc on the streets of Gotham City. The grief would be rolling in multiple directions.

Such an armed Cop is more than likely going to be a danger to themselves more than anything else.

99% of the world manage to do it.
 
Trust me, there isn’t an armed profile below the level of AFO and what’s more, even if the ‘legalities’ surrounding it could be sorted out, there would be zero appetite to introduce one. Speak to your own FB - they will explain why.

I get the point you’re making but it’s sumply not achievable and for good reason.
He was referring to the continent I thought? . The requal shoot for Nordrhein-Westfalen was covered in a Doku. Put it this way two weapon systems covered quickly enough to be done at start of a shift and then off on patrol.
 
No sane leaders of an organisation (in this case, senior police officers and Government Ministers) would expose themselves by pushing out a barely trained and non-competent individual to wreak havoc on the streets of Gotham City. The grief would be rolling in multiple directions.

Done every day with about every other aspect of policing.

And the usual trick is to blame individual failure rather than systemic pressure.
 
You'd need a sustained incidence of public and police getting shot for this to change at a low level. Terrorism is and will always be treated as unusual (because it is in the grand scheme of things) and therefore won't generate mass change on the scale discussed here.

Bit maybe that'll change. Police are now publicly acknowledging the harm from OCGs.
 

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