Should abortion be illegal? AKA Roe vs Wade

[stacker1]

Don't be obtuse.

I have no issue with abortion being regulated - for example term limits based upon medical advice, with exceptions where life threatening etc. Just like, in fact, we have in the UK.

To deny a woman the right to make the choice whether or not to have a baby, that is obscene.

To be clear you are happy for it to be regulated but only if it fits your rules?

 

[stacker1]

Stacker doesn't care either way. He just argues for argument's sake. I'm a little surprised that he keeps reeling people in.

I'm not arguing about abortion, I'm arguing about people who only believe in democracy when it provides rules that they agree with.

 

[LouisetheSleaz]

Does everyone who has faith qualify as a religious nut job?

That largely depends on whether you wish to impose your "received wisdom" on others. Live and let live, OK, do as my lord dictates to his followers (whether you're one of us or not), not OK. Simple.

 

[LouisetheSleaz]

She had the choice to become pregnant in the first place unless it was rape, otherwise her own negligence is responsible

It's very rare I dumb a post, but this one deserves it. No contraception is 100%. None. There are more, or less, risks with contraception, but none are guaranteed to succeed all the time.

 

[Ortholith]

I'd rather the Woman take responsibility for getting pregnant (again not counting rape)

Personal Responsibility

So would I. However, it's not the world that we live in.

by the way you seem to assume a child will be a criminal, interesting do you also believe in eugenics?

No, I didn't say anything about eugenics. There is a correlation between lack of parental involvement and later criminal behaviour.

 

[Mr_Fingerz]

More on that Kansas vote, and some supplemental info.

‘This is huge’: Democrats hail abortion rights victory in Kansas

Democrats celebrated the Kansas vote as a testament to the desire for abortion rights nationwide, even in Republican-held states

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mr_Fingerz]

And they never will, by the way you assume the religious right are all democrats. Plenty of fire and brimstone black pastors in the democratic party. And Hispanics tend to be against abortion also as well as religious

I make no such assumption, nor do I assume that they are all GOP supporters, that's why I separated them in my statement.

I do hope that all the God Botherers are reminded about the separation of church and state in an increasingly secular world.

 

[gaijin]

To be clear you are happy for it to be regulated but only if it fits your rules?

No, you ******* moron, I support it, full stop, within medical guidelines.

 

[Mr_Fingerz]

No, you ******* moron, I support it, full stop, within medical guidelines.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

 

[stacker1]

No, you ******* moron, I support it, full stop, within medical guidelines.

You are aware that various countries have various time lines for abortions, perhaps you can explain which ones are right and which ones are are wrong?

Heres Florida having a 15 week rule, boo hiss, the Americans dont pay any attention to medical guidelines.

Florida 15-week abortion ban reinstated after legal appeal

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Florida's new 15-week abortion ban was blocked and then quickly reinstated Tuesday after an appeal from the state attorney general in a lawsuit challenging the restriction.

apnews.com

Heres the nice enlightened French extending abortion from 12 weeks to errrr 14 weeks.

French government supports cementing abortion rights in constitution

Politicians representing a parliamentary majority on Saturday voiced support for a bill enshrining abortion rights in France's constitution, after the US Supreme Court revoked the nationwide legal protection…

www.france24.com

Which one is medically right?

 

[gaijin]

24 weeks is the generally accepted time at which a foetus is considered viable. That is why many countries have that as a limit beyond which legal dispensation must be granted for a procedure. I would agree with that number.

 

[stacker1]

24 weeks is the generally accepted time at which a foetus is considered viable. That is why many countries have that as a limit beyond which legal dispensation must be granted for a procedure. I would agree with that number.

Seems that 24 weeks is only "generally accepted" in some countries.

Abortion in Germany - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Are you considering having an abortion?

In Norway, women have the right to decide for themselves whether they wish to have an abortion during the first twelve weeks of their pregnancy. The duration of a pregnancy is determined from the first day of your last period.

www.helsenorge.no

Legal Abortion in Spain | Know the Abortion Act and your rights | Cma

Abortion in Spain is legal. Learn more about the abortion law, your rights and safe options to terminate a pregnancy here.

www.centromedicoaragon.com

Information on abortion

Information on abortion services in New Zealand, including who can perform an abortion, and how to access abortion care.

www.health.govt.nz

Strange how those countries clearly don't have any medical experts.

 

[gaijin]

Seems that 24 weeks is only "generally accepted" in some countries.

Abortion in Germany - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Are you considering having an abortion?

In Norway, women have the right to decide for themselves whether they wish to have an abortion during the first twelve weeks of their pregnancy. The duration of a pregnancy is determined from the first day of your last period.

www.helsenorge.no

Legal Abortion in Spain | Know the Abortion Act and your rights | Cma

Abortion in Spain is legal. Learn more about the abortion law, your rights and safe options to terminate a pregnancy here.

www.centromedicoaragon.com

Information on abortion

Information on abortion services in New Zealand, including who can perform an abortion, and how to access abortion care.

www.health.govt.nz

Strange how those countries clearly don't have any medical experts.

Well, I accept it.

 

[stacker1]

Well, I accept it.

Accept what, a figure that politicians in some countries agree is acceptable?

 

[gaijin]

Accept what, a figure that politicians in some countries agree is acceptable?

Doctors

 

[stacker1]

Doctors

Doctors don't make the laws. Politicians do.
As the timelines are different all over the world it appears that medical advice varies.

 

[gaijin]

Doctors don't make the laws. Politicians do.
As the timelines are different all over the world it appears that medical advice varies.

No, fetal viability is considered to occur at, roughly 24 weeks. Earlier restrictions are not necessarily based upon that.

 

[stacker1]

No, fetal viability is considered to occur at, roughly 24 weeks. Earlier restrictions are not necessarily based upon that.

So these earlier restrictions in a great many other countries are wrong?

In Canada you can legally get an abortion at anytime during the pregnancy although no provider currently goes past 24 weeks

Access at a Glance: Abortion Services in Canada | Action Canada for Sexual Health and Rights

www.actioncanadashr.org

As for the 24 week rule, I guess Curtis Means is happy his parents didnt decide to abort in week 22.

Alabama boy born 19 weeks early sets world record for most premature baby to survive

Now 16 months old, Curtis Means is healthier than ever at home with his family

www.independent.co.uk

 

[28th/LX1]

I see Stackers bored again.

 

[stacker1]

I see Stackers bored again.

Merely pointing out that some people dont like democracy unless it produces the results they agree with.