Shopkeeper fined for hitting back at thieves

#2
One wonders....why do the police constantly complain and moan that they do not have the backing/confidence of the public? Is it because many (not all) are quite often inept, and unable to carry out (or have forgotten) the task with which they have been appointed....to protect and serve (sorry if that sounds American) the public.

I believe the rot starts at the top....policies and 'targets' set by politically motivated officers with no sense of proportion or justice. Too many lefty/softy 'liberty' types me thinks. Makes me f*cking angry.
 
#3
the saying use to be crime dos not pay , and your home is your castle .
today crime dos pay . and your home is not your castle but theres to do with and in as they wish
you (the victim) are the criminal with no rights to defened your home or self and they (the criminal) have all the rights and many do as they wish
or am i going mad as time gos by ?
 
#4
Should have asked for Crown Court and plead not guilty. Unless of course juries are too thick to use common sense these days.
 
#5
Perhaps its time for ARRSE to become a political power and to run for the next election, so we can square this boll@cks away!
 
#6
Not sure if I can follow the article that well. It says he was advised to plead guilty otherwise he might get 6 months.
It says he kicked the person "once or twice" on the ground and talked of frustration getting the better of him?
I think the problem might not be the court, but the "advice" he was given!
Unless (god forbid) the journalist has not given the entire story!
 
#7
jimbojetset said:
Unless (god forbid) the journalist has not given the entire story!
That's the worrying thing. Though I must say, it seems to me that if some lowlife tries to steal your property and assaults you in the process, he deserves a good kicking in the heat of the moment.

The police make mistakes like the rest of us, I'm afraid, and I symnpathise with that. But, as I may have said before, I think the campaign they seem to be running to obtain a monopoly of legal violence is to be firmly resisted. Yes, I would like to able to shoot burglars legally, which probably qualifies me as a fascist pig. Even so, on the face of it, what happened to this chap seems unreasonable. I would have pleaded not guilty and opted for the jury. Even if I ended up in jail, on current form I would have been out in a very short while.
 
#9
Don't forget B. Liar who said:

"Tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime".

I doubt anything will change now that the Stalinist control-freak is in charge. After all he will approve of the income generated by fines.

As for the police, whoever said that their poor performances stem from the top is absolutely correct. We will continue to have a deteriorating police FORCE until political correctness and ludicrous targets are eradicated and removed.

We have lived through ten years dreadful years with a grinning spiv like wanabee pop-star at the helm, now things can only get WORSE!
 
#10
The shop keeper should have foreseen this eventuality and made the most of it. He was always going to get a criminal record. That is a fact. The CPS will as always do their utmost to prosecute crimes they can easily win. Good for stats. Their reaction in this case is completely predictable.
As a shop keeper he should have bitten the bullet and really fukced up these kids to serve as a warning to others. Either way he's got a record, so a few months in clink, early release and no scrote in town will try it on again. If he's bright he'll make a few contacts inside and learn a few new skills. Like not pleading guilty EVER. Never admitting anything to the Police. The Police are very busy, over burdened with paperwork etc so don't help them out by pleading guilty. The CPS will drop it as long as you don’t give them a reason to carry on. This is not about justice and it never has been. The Police are there to help the CPS make a case. They will say and do anything within the law to effect that end. Their advice about accepting cautions, warnings, pleading guilty are all designed to help them to that end. It like asking the condemned man to put the noose around his neck. I agree with Jimbojetset, very poor advice.
 
#11
This guy has got the backing of the public. he also has a business to run and i believe this allowed him to be swayed towards pleading guilty to common assault. There is no doubt that he acted courageously and if he had pushed this to Crown Court he may have had a sympathetic jury who would have found him not guilty had the judge given them that level of discretion. Unfortunately the law does not always back the side of the victim as in this case and I assume this was a deciding factor.
The police and cps in that area are oblivious to right/wrong or perpetrator/victim. For them it is all about prosecutions to secure convictions the greater the severity of offence the better regardless of who is originally at fault.
I will be working in that area next week, I will find a local support group and if any members wish to add their voices in support I am sure this will be welcomed.
 
#12
lsquared said:
Don't forget B. Liar who said:

"Tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime".

I doubt anything will change now that the Stalinist control-freak is in charge. After all he will approve of the income generated by fines.

As for the police, whoever said that their poor performances stem from the top is absolutely correct. We will continue to have a deteriorating police FORCE until political correctness and ludicrous targets are eradicated and removed.

We have lived through ten years dreadful years with a grinning spiv like wanabee pop-star at the helm, now things can only get WORSE!
Bliar: Tough on Crime - Tough on the Victims of Crime
 
#13
D'oh!

He should have had his day in court. He may have gotten off or the case may have been dropped in the event of media uproar or if the usual legal tricks to cause delays and mess around witnesses were employed. Even if he was found guilty, there is no chance whatsoever he would have received a custodial sentence with prisons as full up as they are.
 
#15
#16
I had a discussion with a mate about never admittting anything to Police.

for example , if you catch a teen lad smashing your car, you hit him and kick him away, he goes to the POlice, most "Honest = Daft" car owners would be saying "yes i did it cos he was smashing up my car" BANG he is nicked and the scrote gets away with it, instead say " I have never seen the lad before in my life" ...............then beat the living sh1t out of the lad when the Police is out of sight.

probably not quite the right way to do things , but withthe way CPS and Police are operating today, you would have forced to play the game, you don't get prizes for being honest these days unfortunately
 
#17
So let me see if I understand law enforcement in the UK?? If somebody breaks into your house and you think your family is in danger and say beat the fu(k out of the guy with a bat or what not. You are going to get the shaft for defending your home/family/property?
 
#18
LJONESY said:
So let me see if I understand law enforcement in the UK?? If somebody breaks into your house and you think your family is in danger and say beat the fu(k out of the guy with a bat or what not. You are going to get the shaft for defending your home/family/property?
Yes. Sticks in the throat a bit doesn't it?!
Edited to add: you would also be sued for compensation for their injuries...

Welcome to Britain. :roll:
 
#19
This scrote needs kicking to the ground and killing...

He retaliated and punched 18-year-old Craig Spiller to the ground.
as for the prosecuting lawyer, I assume he some bleading heart liberal hippy, who doesn't think this sort of thing should be jumped on, froma great height.

Julian Herbert, prosecuting, said the “aggravating factor” of the case was shop staff “taking the law into their own hands”. Fining Mr Smyth £250 and ordering him to pay £43 costs, Angy Haslam, chairman of the magistrates, said: “The act was aggravated by the fact you kicked the victim on the ground. We feel it has been mitigated because you acted in self defence.”
No Herbert you fool, the aggravating factor was a bunch of scrotes stealling from a shop.

Speaking outside court, Mr Smyth said: “I did nothing wrong. I was getting a good beating from this lad. I had no choice but to defend myself.
Spot on mate, you did nothing wrong.

“We get shoplifters all the time ? one after the other. We call the police but nothing is ever done. We called them on this occasion and ran after the lads to try and get my property back but then they turned on us. “Am I not allowed to protect my stock and premises from thieves?”

Mr Smyth’s colleague Jason Pascoe, 34, has also been charged with two counts of common assault and will appear in court at a later date.
Coppers get a grip, and start doing your job.

Let's hope Mr Pascoe gets nothing more than a court appearence.
 
#20
So why did the legal system in the UK seem to tank, I figured you guys would have more common sense? I am just glad I live in small ville I guess.
 

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