Shooting season 2019/2020

Ravers

LE
Kit Reviewer
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#22
Ok awesome. I’ll look into options and get some potential dates / locations together.

I’m assuming midlands works best for most people? Although if you’re all in the south and I’m the only northern ******, I’ll happily travel to where the crowd is.
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#24
Soooo here’s a crazy idea. Who’d be up for an arrse shoot day?

Find somewhere fairly central so easily travelled to, book a cheapish day. 50 birds walk one stand one or something, then all crash in a nice local boozer?

Just a thought?
Is this one of those “agree not to meet up” things?
 

Ravers

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
#25
Is this one of those “agree not to meet up” things?
The difference here is that if people pay for a day’s shooting upfront, they’re much less likely to sack it off at the last minute due to “can’t be arrsed.”
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#26
Does it come with a no camper van, gender fluid and bedside kebab guarantee?

If so, I am always up for making noise in the general direction of game birds.
 
#27
The difference here is that if people pay for a day’s shooting upfront, they’re much less likely to sack it off at the last minute due to “can’t be arrsed.”
No refunds for no shows , money goes behind the bar? or more birds for the rest?
 

Ravers

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
#28
Does it come with a no camper van, gender fluid and bedside kebab guarantee?

If so, I am always up for making noise in the general direction of game birds.
One hopes that the prerequisite of owning an SGC means that the police will have already done the hard work of weeding the nut jobs and reactolite shade wearers out of this little soirée.
 

Ravers

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
#29
No refunds for no shows , money goes behind the bar? or more birds for the rest?
It’s a good shout, but most shoots require all pegs to be paid for regardless. So if there is a no show it just means we get to shoot more birds each.
 
#30
One hopes that the prerequisite of owning an SGC means that the police will have already done the hard work of weeding the nut jobs and reactolite shade wearers out of this little soirée.
Thomas and Derek might disagree
 

Longlenny

War Hero
Book Reviewer
#31
I have heard that Natural England have revoked the General Licences for pigeon and crow shooting after giving way to Chris Packhams legal challenge. What an excellent turn of events, we will be overrun with pigeons and many crops will suffer. When will someone rid us of this pompous prick Packham?
 
#33
Worth signing...Ask the BBC to sack Packham

Sign the Petition
Packham was challenged by the radio presenter on Monday on being a BBC employee and yet a political activist for Extinction Rebellion.
He denied being an employee. He is a self employed consultant for natural history programmes and thus free to promote any political agenda he chose.
This was also the position of the BBC in answer to my sisters written complaint about him previously.
Any petition wanting him sacked as an employee is doomed to failure before it starts.
Don't know why they consistently turn to him as their talking head though and how he appears and is paid on non natural history programmes though.
 
#34
Packham was challenged by the radio presenter on Monday on being a BBC employee and yet a political activist for Extinction Rebellion.
He denied being an employee. He is a self employed consultant for natural history programmes and thus free to promote any political agenda he chose.
This was also the position of the BBC in answer to my sisters written complaint about him previously.
Any petition wanting him sacked as an employee is doomed to failure before it starts.
Don't know why they consistently turn to him as their talking head though and how he appears and is paid on non natural history programmes though.
If the petition is reported in mainstream media then it`s a start , theres currently 22k signatures .
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#37
Its bad enough having a bird loving tree hugging everything must live owner of your shoot but we can't even protect our birds from foxes or buzzards and foxes officially shot off the estate.
I'm trying to encourage our wild birds but without predator control its pointless!
 
#38
More on General Licence from The Times

BASC have emailed their members in Scotland that Scottish Natural Heritage have confirmed there are no plans to withdraw the general licence in Scotland and would not consider doing so without extensive consultation first.
The press releases aren’t making clear why NE have caved at first challenge. During lambing season the withdrawal of the cull option for corvids seems bonkers.
 
#39
General Licence status in Scotland

. As with any review of our licences we would seek to ensure an appropriate period of consultation to gather views on any planned changes, allow sufficient time for any adjustments to take place and for users to be made aware.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#40
The NGO has today (Thursday) obtained further details from Natural England on the temporary Individual Licensing Scheme which NE say will be available for applications via the gov.uk website later today

After chasing Natural England all morning, the National Gamekeepers' Organisation (NGO) has finally been given some details of the temporary Individual Licensing Scheme which NE say will be available for applications via the gov.uk website later today. NE have answered our questions as follows:

When will the scheme be available for online applications?
It will be available on gov.uk from 5pm today (Thursday 25 April). In what NE publishes, they say it will be clear where people can take immediate action if they need to do so. This measure (under Section 4 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act) does not cover control for conservation purposes, but does cover livestock and crop protection situations. (See also below).

Applications for control for 'conservation purposes' (which are the licences most used by gamekeepers at this time of year; eg to protect red grouse or other wild gamebirds), will need to be made through the Individual licensing system from 5pm. NE says it will endeavour "to turn them around as quickly as we can". NE also says that the new replacement General Licence for conservation purposes is "in production."
Who will be able to apply? :
NE says that landowners and others authorised by them to control birds (eg gamekeepers) will all be able to apply for the Individual Licences if they need them.
Will they have to apply separately for each species they want to control?:
NE says not. Their reply to the NGO reads: "The Individual Licences are divided by purpose not by species. New General Licences will be for species/purpose (e.g. crow/conservation, wood pigeon/crops). We will start putting this in place from the 29th April and corvids/conservation are one of the first few."
How long will it take NE to approve an Individual Licence application?:
NE told the NGO: "Individual Licence applications will go through a fast track process. We will prioritise processing those applications where there is no recourse to Section 4." (ie they will prioritise the applications being made for 'conservation purposes', which will include most of those being made by gamekeepers at this time).
To clarify, the Section 4 clause that NE are saying will cover you for any bird control necessary to protect crops and livestock is not a licence. It is a defence that people who kill a protected bird can use to defend themselves in court if prosecuted. It is only valid if you can show there was no other satisfactory solution to killing the bird and if you tell the Agriculture Minister what you have done as soon as reasonably possible after killing the bird in question. The NGO has taken legal advice on Section 4 in the past and been told it is untested in the courts and that it would be most unwise to rely on it. The NGO's advice, therefore, is that if you need to control birds for crop or livestock protection, the much safer route is to obtain an Individual Licence, or to wait until the relevant promised replacement General Licence comes into effect.
Will there be a fee for an Individual Licence?:
NE says not, at least in the short term but that this may be reviewed later in the year.

The NGO will continue to keep this website updated as the situation develops.
Members and others should be assured that we are doing all we possibly can to assist them at this very tricky time and that we have made our disgust at the way NE has handled this whole process abundantly clear.
 

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