Shogun 2 - Fall of the Samurai. Don't buy until they've fixed it.

#1
What a ******* disappointment. In short, it's been released with a crash which stops tons of people from playing it - Total War forum boards are inundated with people who can't get past the startup / splash screen. Furthermore, the patch that was released at the same time means that many people who were happily playing Shogun 2 now can't get it to work.

Since Thursday I've uninstalled / reinstalled about 8 times, had to reinstall all drivers, update BIOS, uninstall Google Chrome and attempt any number of workarounds suggested by the tech geeks.

In short, it won't ******* work and now I can't play Shogun 2 either. I've been a Total War fan since the very first incarnation and have always bought every expansion etc, usually on pre-order. it's mugs like me that make this company believe they can release half-ready, inadequately tested shite that crashes for x% of players.

and before anyone asks, I very much doubt it's my PC spec. I build my own to good specs - Nvidia GTX 580, i7 2600K processor, 8GB Corsair RAM, Windows 7 (64 bit), SSD etc. not had any problems with any other games in the last 12 months, and can play all current games at top graphic detail without any probs.

so, my recommendation - wait till they've patched it before buying. will update this thread when they do.
 
#2
I have to say that Shogun 2 was a huge disappointment to me altogether. Perhaps my expectations were too high, but after Empire and Napoleon, I found Shogun to be...... boring.
 
#3
I have to say that Shogun 2 was a huge disappointment to me altogether. Perhaps my expectations were too high, but after Empire and Napoleon, I found Shogun to be...... boring.
Me too. I've gone back to playing Empire, but there's only so much satisfaction to be had in destroying the Spanish and French before 1799 :)
 
#4
Me too. I've gone back to playing Empire, but there's only so much satisfaction to be had in destroying the Spanish and French before 1799 :)
Actually, I've gone back to playing Medieval 2. But I'm playing the Third Age total conversion, that turns the game into Tolkien's Middle Earth.
 
#7
Me too. I've gone back to playing Empire, but there's only so much satisfaction to be had in destroying the Spanish and French before 1799 :)
Although I'm a big TW fan, I didn't get Shogun 2, the era doesn't light my rockets. Glad in some ways I didn't. Instead, I've been experimenting with the various mods for earlier games from the Total War Centre (TWC), some of which are excellent. The Napoleon All-in-one mod, Mediaeval 2 retrofit mod are both good and Roma Surrectum 2 is epic; much more challenging than the original and completely new graphics, well up to MTW2 standard and with a mass of updated units, including 28 different Roman legions. I'm burning the midnight oil over this one at the moment.

Hopefully this will tide me over until the next full game comes out, probably early next year (I'd like an Empire 2, but most bets are on Rome 2, or possibly a game set in the C19th).

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#8
I actually binned Shogun 2 due to the utter tedium of it and went back to the aged (but still brilliant) Rome TW.

Just checked on Steam -

Shogun 2 - 63 total hours played
Rome - 397 total hours played

It must be bad when an ancient old creaker pisses all over the beautiful but dull newcomer.
 
#9
I bought it last week, played it and although it looks cool it's pish. Wish I hadn't bothered.

I'm glad I still have my Shogun Total War : Warlord edition.
 
#10
Hopefully this will tide me over until the next full game comes out, probably early next year (I'd like an Empire 2, but most bets are on Rome 2, or possibly a game set in the C19th).

Med
I find myself nodding in agreement with many of the comments in this thread: Shogun 2 is lovely eye candy and probably repays some time invested in it but I too find it a bit tedious. As for the game FoS being broken that is a liberty and will cost the makers dear in customer goodwill. Could be a sign of dollar signs overuling coding, wasn't the company taken over by one of the big boys of the industry a couple of years ago? FoS sounds similar to the game broken on release scenario Tripwire Interactive had with RO2 which is only getting about 600 players daily for what was a much awaited game that is only seven months old.

If there is to be a new Total War title I'd like to see either a best possible remake of Rome or a new game based on either the English Civil War or the American Civil war. Those wars offer much gaming potential.
 
#11
I actually binned Shogun 2 due to the utter tedium of it and went back to the aged (but still brilliant) Rome TW.

Just checked on Steam -

Shogun 2 - 63 total hours played
Rome - 397 total hours played

It must be bad when an ancient old creaker pisses all over the beautiful but dull newcomer.
Funny enough, i too have gone back to Rome, it makes Shitgun 2 look crap
 
#13
I refuse to buy another version once they linked it to the steam system, total ball ache - if I buy a game i want to own the game, not the rights to play it if the server feels like it wants to let me and only if it's installed the most upto date 'patch'

S_R
 
#14
I wish they'd simply spend a bit of time and money rolling out updates to Total War; that game could go on and on if the AI was sharpened up.


ETW is my default game when I've finished other games and am waiting for a new title to come out. I used to fill in with Fallout New Vegas, but then discovered it was possible to kill every single living thing on all the maps, which makes it a bit lonely wandering around with nothing to do...
 
#16
I refuse to buy another version once they linked it to the steam system, total ball ache - if I buy a game i want to own the game, not the rights to play it if the server feels like it wants to let me and only if it's installed the most upto date 'patch'

S_R
Steam has an offline mode; simply select it and you can play until your fingers drop off with no connection to the internet. Ditto updates, tell it not to automatically update and it won't. Much as I try and hate Steam on principle I find I can't.

Oh, and if you dislike Steam then best not get anything with Origin for the sake of your blood pressure. That really is a buggy, user hostile piece of shit. Fighting it to get Mass Effect 3 to work made me vow to avoid it wherever possible. Worse than GFWL, if you can believe that.

As to Shogun 2, it works fine on my homebrew pc although frankly that's not much help to anyone having issues. It harks back to the original, a very refined, pared back strategy experience. Not everyone's cup of tea. If you look at the maps the terrain is such that you can't just go wherever you want as some handy mountains get in the way, very reminiscent of the original where the strategic map looked like Risk with a number of defined areas and you you had very limited freedom to manoeuvre.

And if you like Rome, my top tip is Europa Barbarorum as a mod.
 
#17
not even going to bother with FOTS at all.
I stopped playing Shogun 2 after the first patch-up, it put a mist/haze on the campaign screen thats so think and distracting its like trying to play with having milk constantly sloshed into your eyes, and being via steam i cant roll-back to any early version of the game. gone back to playing Napoleon.

liked playing online multi-player with Med 2 and Rome, whos playing what on multi-player these days??
 
#18
not even going to bother with FOTS at all.
I stopped playing Shogun 2 after the first patch-up, it put a mist/haze on the campaign screen thats so think and distracting its like trying to play with having milk constantly sloshed into your eyes, and being via steam i cant roll-back to any early version of the game. gone back to playing Napoleon.

liked playing online multi-player with Med 2 and Rome, whos playing what on multi-player these days??
Do you know you can turn off the heat haze effect in the options menu ? And alter practically everything else ? Even go back to DX9 if that floats your boat ?
 
#19
tried most setting and options, its a VERY heavy misting, theres been a few players on the TW forums with the issue,
good idea rolling back the DX, didnt think of that cheers :)
 
#20
When I bought Shogun 2 a couple of months ago, I thought it was pure win (contrary to everyone's opinion here it seems...)

I think CA has improved the gameplay substantially since Empire (I skipped Napoleon), and it's an enjoyable game, with a good game engine. Empire was quite boring, with those silly little fort sieges and no real urban fighting. Every unit was similar as well (OK OK the same can be said for S2:TW!). Mind you, Additional Unit Mod and DarthMod did make the game fun. However, I got bored after a few musket volleys, and would charge my Redcoats into the frogs A.S.A.P. so as not fall asleep of boredom.
Naval battles in Shogun 2 are fun as well (though i play very little of them), because it's not just a Cannon shoot-out. The campaign is quite fun (except that stupid realm divide), and I like the way you can specialise your castles. Multiplayer is fun too, with the Avatar Campaign (which I love).
However, the only problem is that I have very little -scratch that- no interest in Japanese history. I'm just waiting for Rome II to come out (and Med III :)).

I knew FOTS would more than likely have a bug on release. I bought Empire the moment it came out, and not only was I unable to play it for days before I solved the startup issue problem, but patching the game also took eons. FOTS looks reasonably good, though I probably won't buy it (never bought a DLC, though I like the idea of them).
 
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