Shock horror: Too many Army Officers privately educated

Robme

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Not true. The qualification requirements are actually fairly low, you don't need a university education even. But they definitely take into account your family and their military history, which school you attended and I've known people to be turned down based on their accent.
How much are the mess bills in the household cavalry? You think a lad from a council estate with A star A levels has got a chance at getting in there?
Maybe, that’s enough for the disbandment of the Household Calvary (long overdue in my book) replaced by a semi-decent security system to protect her Majesty. As for the poncing around queens birthday parade etc, well there are enough out of work actors who do the parading around stuff if still required.
 

Caecilius

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Not true. The qualification requirements are actually fairly low, you don't need a university education even. But they definitely take into account your family and their military history, which school you attended and I've known people to be turned down based on their accent.

How much are the mess bills in the household cavalry? You think a lad from a council estate with A star A levels has got a chance at getting in there?
In order:

The first paragraph is a lie. You haven't seen people turned down from becoming an officer due to their accent.

There are no regiments with mess bills higher than their salary and there hasn't been for decades. HCR mess bills are low compared to other cavalry regiments, but even the units with the largest bills are completely affordable on an army salary.

Yes, anyone can get into any unit. Every cavalry unit has multiple state educated mess members. The HCR actually have more than many others, including at least one ex-ranker.
 
I went to Bourne School Singapore, as a boarder. As best I recall there were few of any officers children who tended to be educated back in the U.K. but I don’t have any figures to support that belief. I enjoyed the experience for the 12 months it lasted, and made server all life long friends. I don’t believe that class played any role in that part of upbringing, but can’t be sure unless knowing right from wrong is a predominantly upper class trait, which of course it can’t be give the crooks swindlers knaves and thief’s who polluted the banking system.
You mean like Fred Goodwin, CEO of RBS when in crashed?
Born in Paisley and the son of an electrician.
 

Caecilius

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A token, to placate the diversity snowflakes.
Sorry, I think I didn't explain that comment well enough. I can only talk about the few officers I know the school backgrounds of. I personally know at least one state educated officer in each cavalry mess. I'm sure there are a lot more given that I have a relatively narrow snapshot.
 
In order:

The first paragraph is a lie. You haven't seen people turned down from becoming an officer due to their accent.

There are no regiments with mess bills higher than their salary and there hasn't been for decades. HCR mess bills are low compared to other cavalry regiments, but even the units with the largest bills are completely affordable on an army salary.

Yes, anyone can get into any unit. Every cavalry unit has multiple state educated mess members. The HCR actually have more than many others, including at least one ex-ranker.
Although it is an interesting insight into the mentality of these units that this is a known and focussed upon fact. I've trodden the boards in various units, tri-Service and single, in my short and rather average career. I've come across nowhere so focussed on background, school, snob factor etc than the Cavalry, the Household Division and the Scots Div. Why, I just don't know.
 
I don’t think that’s true.

If I look at my own family as an example, my grandfather born in a workhouse and apprenticed as a shoemaker. He walked from Corby to London to find work when the Northamptonshire shoe industry collapsed in the Depression. His two children both went to University and so did all his grandchildren.

I went to a public school. My parents scrimped and saved to pay for us. I don’t speak with a regional accent. I was the first (and, so far, only) family member to commission. So am I one of the privileged problem.

It’s not an unusual story.
It’s the system not heroic individual anecdotes

And yes if your parents could afford a private education you are privileged

No doubt you’ll come back with they did eight jobs and worked 29 hours a day etc etc
 
Although it is an interesting insight into the mentality of these units that this is a known and focussed upon fact. I've trodden the boards in various units, tri-Service and single, in my short and rather average career. I've come across nowhere so focussed on background, school, snob factor etc than the Cavalry, the Household Division and the Scots Div. Why, I just don't know.

1000 years of elitist inbreeding, with other established familys, in commerce and banking. Overseas plantations, the slave trade and helping the Norman barons subjugate the indigenous Saxon masses.
 
No, no,no,no,no... egalitarianism. Honest.
Must be why socialist regimes treat the nomenklatura as just one of the guys and don't have a wildly skewed pecking order.

I suppose the socialist regimes who treat their leaders like little tin gods must be imposing the wrong kind of socialism...
 
It’s the system not heroic individual anecdotes

And yes if your parents could afford a private education you are privileged

No doubt you’ll come back with they did eight jobs and worked 29 hours a day etc etc
People are privileged if their parents don't spunk their money up the wall?
 
I’m just about to post the same in the Corbyn thread but it’s also relevant here:

The BBC, like Corbyn, fails, is unable to, or simply chooses to ignore the difference between equal and equitable.
Sucks teeth.....i’ll Come back to this when I have some bandwidth
It’s very reminiscent of Jonathon haidt
 
When you go to the Doctor, would you complain if he or she was privately educated, came from a good family , had good connections ??
nope
is he or shes qualified and skilled to do the very hard very skilled job ?
Perhaps our public schools and minor schools better prepare young people for the responsibility of holding rank ?
Dreadful analogy, doctors smash out top grades throughout school and A levels, get heavily filtered to get on a course then do 5-6 years to qualify, then they start to do their trade training
 
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Delete D of E, insert Scouts, or ACF, or the local rugby, football, cricket or tennis club.

It is all there. Whether they see it at the time is up to them and their families.
Disingenuous
 
I notice that there are quite a few people on ARRSE prepared to blame the upper class for their shit little lives.
 

Euclid

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What about welbeck. Does Welbeck count as ‘privately educated’? I recall some astonishing examples of learned behaviour and resulting snobbery among some Royal Signals ex Welbeck types. I’ve a vague recollection of one particularly bad example who ended up transferring to the Green Howards or something and becoming a company commander.
 

anglo

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The qualifying criteria to be an officer is set to get the best men needed to
run the Army the fact that the biggest percentage goes from the privately
Educated sector doesn't come into it.
Is this a case of equality raising its ugly head again in as much as we haven't got
enough of this or that type of people joining up.
 

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