There is a Commissioned Warrant Officer scheme now, which is similar to the LE course but only available to WOs. Those who attend CWOC at Cranwell (it's 2-3 weeks long) graduate as Flight Lieutenants.From a colleague:
‘BBC fails to identify that 1/3 of officers claiming CEA are in fact LE Officers (an unhelpful fact towards the BBC’s argument as it would demonstrate social mobility). It would be interesting to know the percentage of those public school educated LE children that then go to RMAS. Also higher % of service personnel attending Cranwell is in part due to RAF policy - all ORs seeking commission in RAF up to and including Warrant Officer have to go through Cranwell: they have no LE style commissioning route. Suspect RMAS % would change if LE commissioning course stats added in. So BBC are using apples and pears statistics.’
Oh, I don't know; you can be a LCpl in the Int Corps. An SO1 buddy of mine sent both of his boys to Eton and that is what the younger one does. The older one is at Oxford.No idea. Might be much more. If the end result is the only job you can get is to be MP...
Which is not the same thing. We all network (or at least should) as that’s how people get jobs. My current part time consultancy which I recently started was through chatting to an Arrser who put me on to a director. I then had to go through the full interview process, nonetheless, but I won it in competition. The position was never advertised, instead the firm relies on its professional staff to be their recruiters. Apparently 60% of positions are never advertised.Partly true, but having the right connection, via the employers new hireling, gives them another contact within in their field of expertise. networking I think its called.
I was talking generally - I think the Armed Forces are an exception, and Sandhurst, Dartmouth, Cranwell, and Lympstone are great levelers.I think that's pushing the argument a bit far. There's a lot of public schools, it doesn't mean they have a ready-made network.
I do appreciate that the composition of different units' messes will be different, but I would argue that for the most part the Army's officers are representative of a meritocratic selection system.
Do you mean Eton or are you talking about Eton Aerospace. They have a plant near me and at least one person I was at school with works there.
So, to summarise, from a statistical viewpoint the Army’s Officer corps is made up of the same state/private ratio as the Commons who were elected by the same people that the BBC somehow think should be shocked by the first statistic.A majority of current MPs educated at comprehensive schools, study finds
wooo nearly half of mps are state educated and this is seen as progress. 1 in 10 went to Eton
The results of pragmatic nurturing rather than mollycoddling, then?In sum, boys who have Been privately educated are confident, speak well, self-reliant, good networkers, know how to behave appropriately (and an appropriately!)…Also if they have been a border. I’ve met a lot of my son’s friends, and they are very self-assured young men and a credit both to their parents (who have generally worked bloody hard to afford the fees) and of course, to the school itself
… Who wouldn’t want to employ them? Who wouldn’t want them in leadership positions in the army, for example, given that they have a strong sense of team, of drive, and of self reliance?
What a load of old shit. there are plenty of millionaires who grew up poor. Part of the reason they are millionaires is because they didn't sit around whining about rich people.The only people that "Love it" are the people that are part of it, Joe public on the whole, couldn't give a tupeeny fcuk, Its the 1000+ year old ingrained system that divides, and alienates the bulk of the population from advancement, in politics, military and commerce. Regional accents in America are no bar to high office. When was the last time you heard a brummie, cockney, scouse accent in the mess, in high office in politics, in the higher echelons of finance. The old established familys of merrie England have dominated UK's management for centuries. sons follows father, helped along by the club, and the old school tie, contacts in the civil service and the HoL. The freemasons are part of the equation. Its who you know, family connections and schooling that determine carers. Old money, and family links back to the Norman conquest are essential in the majority of placements. "Daddy owns half of Shropshire, and is lord lieutenant of loamshire" ...." Not a problem old boy, you have got the job"
Agreed.In sum, boys who have Been privately educated are confident, speak well, self-reliant, good networkers, know how to behave appropriately (and an appropriately!)…Also if they have been a border, even more so.
I’ve met a lot of my son’s friends, and they are very self-assured young men and a credit both to their parents (who have generally worked bloody hard to afford the fees) and of course, to the school itself.
Who wouldn’t want to employ them? Putting academic considerations aside for the moment, who wouldn’t want them in leadership positions in the army, for example, given that they have a strong sense of team, of drive, and of self reliance?
Careful, you don't want to sound a right Deva.I'm attending a
dinner timelunch time session on "accents and perceptions; do you judge others as less intelligent because of their regional or class accent?"
The company I work for has 16k staff, 12k are grad, post grad or higher.
I'm immensely looking forward to questioning the assumption in the title. "You", it seems are not someone with a regional or class accent that could lead to a perception....
I'll take my Northern English accent along and courteously explain that, as I'm from Chester and Chester is quite literally the city where England became a nation, mine is the proper manner in which to speak and the artificial gruntings from the unloved boarding school emotional retards are deviations.
Naturally I will further explain how we State school Northerers are entirely free of bias.
And learn how to bully them, but these days without leaving marks or filming them.Agreed.
Another key point, particularly relevant to boarding, is you learn to live with others, some of whom you don’t like or don’t necessarily agree with: you learn to tolerate the foibles of others and, of course, they have to do the same for you.
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