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Shock exposé - Rumsfeld tells porkies !

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LE
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#1
It would appear that Mr Rumsfeld was a little, er, 'confused' as to the veracity or otherwise of what he told the troops on the eighth of December.


http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/politics/120904ap_politics_armor.html

Controversy Continues Over Rumsfeld Armor Question

Dec. 9 (AP)
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is taking fire for the statement he made about getting armor to the troops in Iraq. Rumsfeld told a National Guard soldier that the U.S. was supplying armor as fast as it can be made. But ABC7 political reporter Mark Matthews talked with companies making the armor and heard a different story.

The company that makes armored Humvees says they've already offered to increase production and that it wouldn't cost them any extra. That's something Donald Rumsfeld denied yesterday in talking with National Guard troops in Kuwait.

Inadequate armor for the troops and their vehicles in Iraq has been an issue for more than a year.

At first the Secretary of Defense denied it was a problem. Then yesterday Rumsfeld told National Guard soldiers the Army is trying to solve the problem as fast as it can.

Donald Rumsfeld: "It's essentially a matter of physics. It isn't a matter of money, it isn't a matter on the part of the Army of desire. It's a matter of production and capability of doing it."

And today the President backed him up.

President Bush: "I've told many families I've met with we're doing everything we can to protect your loved ones in a mission that is vital and important."

But the Florida company that makes the armor plating both for the Humvees and the Army's bullet proof vests says it told the Pentagon several times it could easily increase production by 22 percent. That's 50 to 100 extra Humvees every month, but so far the Army hasn't responded.

And a Sacramento company that provides steel panel for door panels told ABC7 they could make more and that it's just a matter of money. The Sierra Army Depot, assembling the Humvee kits, could increase production by 150 percent.

Gen. Paul Monroe, California National Guard, retired: "Ultimately it's a matter of money."

So far the ultimate price has been paid by more than 190 American soldiers killed in unarmored Humvees. More than half the Humvees are without armor so soldiers are welding on pieces of scrap metal.

Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D), Walnut Creek: "They didn't expect to find RPG's hitting our soldiers. They thought they'd be pelted with roses and victory parades soon after the end of the Saddam Hussein government."

Today, a spokesman for Donald Rumsfeld said he would not respond to what we've found out today. And there is a report tonight out of Chattanooga, Tennessee, that the guardsman who asked Rumsfeld the question about the missing armor was coached by a reporter for the Chattanooga Free Press. The reporter embedded with the troops wasn't allowed to ask questions, so says he passed it on to a guardsman.
 
#2
Money it's all about money.
Oil Money, Tax money, and the blood money.
the squaddie pays in a different currancy but its all money.
john
 
#3
Rumsfeld's lame answer to that soldier has alot of people unhappy. It was a careless answer. The real problem isnt unarmored Humvee's but unarmored medium and heavy trucks. By now this problem should have been addressed. I think the number is less than 15% for those types of trucks.
 
#4
tomahawk6 said:
Rumsfeld's lame answer to that soldier has alot of people unhappy. It was a careless answer. The real problem isnt unarmored Humvee's but unarmored medium and heavy trucks. By now this problem should have been addressed. I think the number is less than 15% for those types of trucks.
Good news, tom. Of course we Brits have every right to find this extremely amusing, in view of the percentage of our medium and heavy trucks which is armoured. :wink:
 
#5
Yes I think while less than 15% are armored that seems to be 15% more than for UK vehicles. But then IED's dont seem to be quite the problem in the south. When we first rolled into Iraq none of the trucks were armored. The reality is that no amount of armor on a truck cab is going to save anyone from an RPG.
 
#6
Hope it's better than the macrolon we used in NI aeons ago, it wasn't proof against IEDs either! What do the Brits use now?
 
#7
Busterdog said:
Hope it's better than the macrolon we used in NI aeons ago, it wasn't proof against IEDs either! What do the Brits use now?
"Snatch" type landrovers are the only wheeled light armoured tactical vehicles I have noticed from the news. Excellent vehicles in my experience but certainly not invulnerable, and from what I have seen from media reports there has been at least one successful IED attack on them in the South.
 

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