Ships & SF Helos to be scrapped in new defence cuts

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  1. AFAIK, all the existing HC.4s are being upgraded to HC.6As.This is based on what has been released to the aviation press.

    One of the areas of debate on PPRuNe was why we had so many Chinooks (some 60) already.

    Given the balls-up when the MOD last tried to procure the MH version, I would hope they will be straight F models.

    The SF assigned Chicnook unit,7 Sqn has the 14 HC.6 models recently delivered.

    I'd like to see it happen, and we probably do need more choppers, but I can't see it happening.

    There's an arms exibition in London this week with a US-Army CH-47F in attendance, so would not an announcement come from there?.
     
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  2. Answers to all the new-buy of Chinook speculation, is to be found over here:

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    Posted by the ARRSE “Oracle” of all things light-blue @Magic_Mushroom .

    To avoid duplication, it is suggested further comment on a new-buy of Chinook, could be posted in the “Osprey” thread?

    UK to get V-22 Osprey?
     
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  3. If you read the announcement by JHC, its about airframes ending there life, with no wildcats for SF, it makes perfect sense to procure a MH in its latest model. There is a conversation about the option of transferring the THALES cockpits into the new builds, or using the USA Army standard cockpit.
     
  4. Cold_Collation

    Cold_Collation LE Book Reviewer

    I'm torn there. On the one hand, Thales cockpit = fleet commonality. On the other, how much of the specialist nature of the MH means that it needs the cockpit it has. A concern that 'Thales + bells and whistles' = the farrago we had last time with the Mk.3.

    Would it not make sense to buy the MH as is and have fleet commonality with the US?
     
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  5. Yes, then we can share resources, it would make a very credible JPR asset to have on the QE, or forward staged.
     
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  6. Purple_Flash

    Purple_Flash LE Moderator

    I seem to remember some fiscal scandal years ago that had a hangar full of chinooks that could not be used due to a dispute over avionics or some such and the supplier refusing to allow upgrades without huge amounts of money that meant that the airframes never flew.

    Was it ever resolved and, if not, are they still in storage?
     
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  7. Resolved.

    Brought into the main fleet.
     
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  8. Someone neatly summed up the dispute as follows: the purchaser didn't specify the aviation equivalent of right hand drive to the international provider, who then refused to convert the left hand drive versions provided at no/their cost. The air frames were dumbed down to an easier level to do a conversion by a local provider closer to home
     
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  9. Very true. I think that's largely the case with most big (and plenty of smaller) ticket items in today's forces though. I just don't see the trend reversing any time soon.
     
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  10. Iirc we had project Julius for the entire fleet to bring us to a common ( and very good ) cockpit. Imho, we stick to it or we'll end up with two types of cockpit with fewer economies of scale. Boeing is familiar with integrating the Thales cockpit into current Chinooks so could easily do it again.
     
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  11. MH47 is a very different beast, we tried to do it on the cheap once. Didnt work. I would rather have 6 wokkas with a different cockpit for the “JPR Sneaky Shizzle”.
     
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  12. When what remains is absorbed into the European 'Army' and 'Armed Forces'.
     
  13. Have you been in a stupor and missed the BREXIT vote?

    Unless maybe you mean NATO?
     
  14. Cold_Collation

    Cold_Collation LE Book Reviewer

    Yes, but that's not so bad if we have commonality with the Americans. What would make less sense is to create an orphan fleet within the UK fleet.
     
  15. True, but how different do the RAF SF fleet have to be in terms of flying instrumentation from the Julius standard ? The Julius cockpit is nvg compatible, and night time insertions and pickups are well practiced.
    In terms of things like DASS, in flight refuelling probes, extra tankage etc I can see where there would be differences, but that doesn't require a whole new cockpit.