Shamima Begum allowed back to the UK

[ACAB]

She didn't have dual citizenship.

It's hard to see this as anything other than a situation in which people are treated differently based purely on factors completely outside of their control.

You are a hard of thinking cretin.

 

[syrup]

Yes OK, fair one - she wasn't deported but stripped of nationality whilst already out of the country.

Point still stands otherwise though.

She was stripped of her nationality while serving of her own free will with a terrorist organisation.
Had ISIS not been defeated she would still be quite happily out there in the Muslim equivalent of Disney Land moaning that she can't believe the queue for a Crucifixion is so long.
"45 minutes from this point do you want to go and see a stoning instead"
"No mum we did that yesterday"

It's only now that it's all gone Pete Tong she's desperate to run through the hills singing and dancing like a little postbox version of Julie Andrews.

 

[Grownup_Rafbrat]

WTF! Are you drinking?

He means, if she were raised properly by her family, she wouldn't have run away to join an organisation which let her benefit from killing, enslavement and terrorism.

 

[Drazyl]

No I didn't.

And whether she's entitled to it or not, she doesn't have it.

She has automatic Bangladeshi citizenship.

 

[BarcelonaAnalPark]

Knock up a video of her undoubtedly vile minge in a Medics in Vietnam style and make it compulsory viewing in schools.
"Ladies, dash off like she did and this is what your punanis will resemble a short while later.
Moving on, I have some scratch and sniff pictures, pass them around..."

Joking aside, that is a very good idea, minus the showing children pictures of genitalia.

Demonstrate the contradiction between the promise and the reality through the medium of experiences of people like Seamuma.

Promise: escape a society where teenage girls have multiple partners and are getting pregnant.

Reality: join a society where teenage girls' only role is to get pregnant, rinse & repeat every time their husband gets wiped out.

Promise: marry a holy warrior.

Reality: marry someone who was only ever on the fringes of their own society, was attracted to carrying out genocide & whose suitability for recruitment was only recognised because of their ability to not recognise danger.

Promise: transcend corrupt society & attain the rewards of paradise.

Reality: beg corrupt society for mercy after the illusion of paradise has evaporated.

Promise: nice two up two down to play happy families & have your own child slave as a punch bag. As is your right.

Reality: infant mortality. Living in a tent. Communal ablutions. Refugee rations. Desert. Oblivion.

 

[AsterixTG]

Joking aside, that is a very good idea, minus the showing children pictures of genitalia.

Demonstrate the contradiction between the promise and the reality through the medium of experiences of people like Seamuma.

Promise: escape a society where teenage girls have multiple partners and are getting pregnant.

Reality: join a society where teenage girls' only role is to get pregnant, rinse & repeat every time their husband gets wiped out.

Promise: marry a holy warrior.

Reality: marry someone who was only ever on the fringes of their own society, was attracted to carrying out genocide & whose suitability for recruitment was only recognised because of their ability to not recognise danger.

Promise: transcend corrupt society & attain the rewards of paradise.

Reality: beg corrupt society for mercy after the illusion of paradise has evaporated.

Promise: nice two up two down to play happy families & have your own child slave as a punch bag. As is your right.

Reality: infant mortality. Living in a tent. Communal ablutions. Refugee rations. Desert. Oblivion.

That wouldn't even scratch the surface of the indoctrination.

Inshallah - that was her destined future, mine will be different.

 

[chuggafugga]

Joking aside, that is a very good idea, minus the showing children pictures of genitalia.

Demonstrate the contradiction between the promise and the reality through the medium of experiences of people like Seamuma.

Promise: escape a society where teenage girls have multiple partners and are getting pregnant.

Reality: join a society where teenage girls' only role is to get pregnant, rinse & repeat every time their husband gets wiped out.

Promise: marry a holy warrior.

Reality: marry someone who was only ever on the fringes of their own society, was attracted to carrying out genocide & whose suitability for recruitment was only recognised because of their ability to not recognise danger.

Promise: transcend corrupt society & attain the rewards of paradise.

Reality: beg corrupt society for mercy after the illusion of paradise has evaporated.

Promise: nice two up two down to play happy families & have your own child slave as a punch bag. As is your right.

Reality: infant mortality. Living in a tent. Communal ablutions. Refugee rations. Desert. Oblivion.

Justice

 

[Ryder02]

Joking aside, that is a very good idea, minus the showing children pictures of genitalia.

Demonstrate the contradiction between the promise and the reality through the medium of experiences of people like Seamuma.

Promise: escape a society where teenage girls have multiple partners and are getting pregnant.

Reality: join a society where teenage girls' only role is to get pregnant, rinse & repeat every time their husband gets wiped out.

Promise: marry a holy warrior.

Reality: marry someone who was only ever on the fringes of their own society, was attracted to carrying out genocide & whose suitability for recruitment was only recognised because of their ability to not recognise danger.

Promise: transcend corrupt society & attain the rewards of paradise.

Reality: beg corrupt society for mercy after the illusion of paradise has evaporated.

Promise: nice two up two down to play happy families & have your own child slave as a punch bag. As is your right.

Reality: infant mortality. Living in a tent. Communal ablutions. Refugee rations. Desert. Oblivion.

There was an article cited in these hallowed pages, supposedly written by jihadist who had travelled to Syria to fight for the caliphate. In it he whinged about how when he took off his shoes to go pray, then went back later every single time his shoes would be missing and a minging pair left instead.
That his fellow ‘warriors’ were all lazy, feckless and useless. Went on in some length about how crap it all was.

It was well written and published in a UK newspaper - if it was not the work of the UK government I would be very surprised, but it fit that to a bill. Any potential jihadist here would be thinking ‘sod that‘.

 

[dogmeat]

I think in the spirit of quid pro quo, she should have her citizenship reinstated when the UK has the death penalty reinstated.

Fair's fair, right?

 

[RCT(V)]

She didn't have dual citizenship.

It's hard to see this as anything other than a situation in which people are treated differently based purely on factors completely outside of their control.

No-one forced her to adopt, accept, promote, the beliefs she adopted.

No-one forced her to leave the UK - with her two school pals - to encourage, and lend succour to the bastards of ISIS.

"The age of criminal responsibility in England and Wales is 10 years old".

Youth crime | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

 

[BarcelonaAnalPark]

Justice

Justice in country would be ideal. It'd be impossible to get justice once they've returned unless the burden of proof & requirement for witness testimonies was changed. In the same way the Nazis were hanged at Nuremburg for crimes that didnt exist at the time those actions were carried out.

 

[TamH70]

I think in the spirit of quid pro quo, she should have her citizenship reinstated when the UK has the death penalty reinstated.

Fair's fair, right?

And we can't let the women attend the stoning, can we? Or it would look almost exactly like this, down to the fashions and the fake beards.

 

[wrinklyone]

 

[Mattb]

No-one forced her to adopt, accept, promote, the beliefs she adopted.

No-one forced her to leave the UK - with her two school pals - to encourage, and lend succour to the bastards of ISIS.

"The age of criminal responsibility in England and Wales is 10 years old".

Youth crime | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

No one forces the vast majority of criminals (or alleged criminals) to do the things that they do either, I still think that they should be treated equally and fairly before the law.

I have zero issues with Begum facing trial and possible imprisonment, if there's a case to be brought against her.

 

[BarcelonaAnalPark]

No one forces the vast majority of criminals (or alleged criminals) to do the things that they do either, I still think that they should be treated equally and fairly before the law.

I have zero issues with Begum facing trial and possible imprisonment, if there's a case to be brought against her.

What if there's not a case that they can bring against her?

Do you think it's acceptable that the Nazis got hanged at Nuremburg for actions that weren't criminal at the time & if not, why not?

 

[lokiuk]

The wording You used isn't exactly ambiguous. Extremely obvious you're labelling her race as being responsible, not her actions.

Isn't it rather the opposite anyway, her race wouldn't be considered an issue if she was white

She's had a lot more press attention calling for her return than Jack Letts

So the racism is the pro Begum camp calling for her return

 

[Mattb]

What if there's not a case that they can bring against her?

Do you think it's acceptable that the Nazis got hanged at Nuremburg for actions that weren't criminal at the time & if not, why not?

If there isn't a case that can be brought against her, then that should be that.

 

[dingerr]

No one forces the vast majority of criminals (or alleged criminals) to do the things that they do either, I still think that they should be treated equally and fairly before the law.

I have zero issues with Begum facing trial and possible imprisonment, if there's a case to be brought against her.

She’s being treated and fairly before the law. Justices of the Supreme Court have deemed it so.


Just because you disagree with the particular law doesn’t make it unfair.

 

[Mattb]

She’s being treated and fairly before the law. Justices of the Supreme Court have deemed it so.


Just because you disagree with the particular law doesn’t make it unfair.

And just because it's the (current) law, doesn't make it fair either.

 

[BarcelonaAnalPark]

If there isn't a case that can be brought against her, then that should be that.

Well, it's unlikely that any case could be successfully bought against her for an absolute myriad of important reasons. Because of the gravity and scale of the crimes committed by IS, it's been recognised that the situation cannot be resolved simply by letting them off the hook.

Feel free to answer my previous question btw.