Shamima Begum allowed back to the UK

[Dashing_Chap]

Why 16 and 17-year-olds deserve the right to vote

Shadow Minister for Voter Engagement and Youth Affairs Cat Smith makes Labour’s case for lowering the voting age.

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Together with Jeremy Corbyn, I launched our comprehensive youth manifesto Only Young Once in October this year, which committed us to introducing legislation to guarantee quality youth services and giving our councils the funding they need to invest in our public services. We will open up our democracy to a generation of young people by extending the voting age to 16.

Thank you kindly Cat Smith Labour MP - Methodist, bi-sexual (from her wiki) and therefore welcomed with open arms by Shamima, ISIS and every Islamic country certain voting demographic in the UK.


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How do people that stupid manage to get any influence or power? I mean really, how thick do you have to be?

If she can do it it almost makes me wonder whether I should dabble in local politics. Having a bit of a kinky side or getting caught with hookers and cocaine seems to be a requirement too.

 

[MOzanne]

Trumped by a Societal Rights Act. "You can have your rights, but society's rights are more important so swivel."

Pretty much implies National Socialism

 

[Dashing_Chap]

And no fuel either , so said 17 y/o's driving King Tigers on an icebound B road with only 2 hours training ditch the bloody things within 200 yds , blocking the entire battlegroup for the day.
Nazis , top tip! When planning a last grasp counterattack with scarce resources , don't let the Fuhrer , who knows eff all about tanks and is tucked up in a bunker somewhere , choose the precise route or order of march .

I always wonder how the Americans of 44/45 would have done against the Wehrmacht of 1940.

The finest army in the world was destroyed on the Russian steppe, what the allies faced in 44/45 wasn't the same lethal force of 1940, imho (not that they weren't still incredibly capable and dangerous).

 

[Dashing_Chap]

Just been listening to LBC, I hate to say it, but it seems the traditional Brits have their own view of 'kill the bitch', but then some bloke called Ali rings up and says she should face the law.

Funny how all these immigration lawyers seem to be of a certain demographic. Part of me wonders whether they only support her returning because they have no ties the British culture and would be all too happy to see an Islamic mini state here, many of them already dress the part.

 

[AlienFTM]

Pretty much implies National Socialism

No. Absolutely not. Under National Socialism, substitute Scociety for Party. Big, fundamental difference.

 

[velcrostripes]

Just been listening to LBC, I hate to say it, but it seems the traditional Brits have their own view of 'kill the bitch', but then some bloke called Ali rings up and says she should face the law.

Funny how all these immigration lawyers seem to be of a certain demographic. Part of me wonders whether they only support her returning because they have no ties the British culture and would be all too happy to see an Islamic mini state here, many of them already dress the part.

I never get that either .
Flee religious and political oppression , to establish it here .
It's not just a Middle Eastern trait incidentally , there are an estimated 150,000 Latin Americans living in London alone ( most of whom come in on European passports inherited from spanish /italian / german grandparents ) , and they all seem to spout the very political dogma they claim to be fleeing from ( apart from the Venezuelans ) .
They cannot grasp that neo liberalism , a low tax base and the free market are what create the economic prosperity which allows to find employment so easily when they get here .

 

[Dashing_Chap]

I never get that either .
Flee religious and political oppression , to establish it here .
It's not just a Middle Eastern trait incidentally , there are an estimated 150,000 Latin Americans living in London alone ( most of whom come in on European passports inherited from spanish /italian / german grandparents ) , and they all seem to spout the very political dogma they claim to be fleeing from ( apart from the Venezuelans ) .
They cannot grasp that neo liberalism , a low tax base and the free market are what create the economic prosperity which allows to find employment so easily when they get here .

Best/worst thing I ever heard on LBC was a few years back when I was working in London and it was London's Biggest Conversation instead of Leading Britain's. They were having a debate about the Falklands, you can guess what happened.

Some Argentinian woman phoned up and had a right ol' rant about how the Falklands belonged to Argentina and they were called Malvinas, evil British etc etc.

Strange how she was living in London the time and didn't see the blatant hypocrisy in her behaviour - she was quite happy to live here, enjoy all the luxuries and protection of the state, but she was also free to criticize our policies.

I wonder how long she would have lasted under the junta with that attitude? The blatant hypocrisy is what gets me, most foreign immigrants living here just don't get it or are completely blind to it. Kinda like seeing the EU immigrants on my FB having a meltdown over Brexit - since when did it have anything to do with them?

 

[Dalef65]

I never get that either .
Flee religious and political oppression , to establish it here .
It's not just a Middle Eastern trait incidentally , there are an estimated 150,000 Latin Americans living in London alone ( most of whom come in on European passports inherited from spanish /italian / german grandparents ) , and they all seem to spout the very political dogma they claim to be fleeing from ( apart from the Venezuelans ) .
They cannot grasp that neo liberalism , a low tax base and the free market are what create the economic prosperity which allows to find employment so easily when they get here .

You make a fair point about the Latinos. However, I think in an open society there is an element of free speech that has to be tolerated from people with diverse backgrounds.

Personally, I'm not too worried about individuals of Latin American descent as in general, they are not seeking to change "our" society as such, merely railing about perceived injustice wherever they have come from.
They could be characterized as all bark and no bite

 

[mnairb]

Best/worst thing I ever heard on LBC was a few years back when I was working in London and it was London's Biggest Conversation instead of Leading Britain's. They were having a debate about the Falklands, you can guess what happened.

Some Argentinian woman phoned up and had a right ol' rant about how the Falklands belonged to Argentina and they were called Malvinas, evil British etc etc.

Strange how she was living in London the time and didn't see the blatant hypocrisy in her behaviour - she was quite happy to live here, enjoy all the luxuries and protection of the state, but she was also free to criticize our policies.

I wonder how long she would have lasted under the junta with that attitude? The blatant hypocrisy is what gets me, most foreign immigrants living here just don't get it or are completely blind to it. Kinda like seeing the EU immigrants on my FB having a meltdown over Brexit - since when did it have anything to do with them?

My late brother-in-law was exactly the same - Hungarian Jewish, most of the family perished in Auschwitz and his father got them out to Israel in 1956 after the failed revolution. He got British citizenship (somehow) despite having served in the Israeli Army and was always banging on about how he wasn't British but an Israeli (yeah, so why do you fly round the world on a British passport then?). Much as I liked his wife (my wife's sister), I stopped going round because I got fed up with hearing 'you stupid British, the Germans should have beaten you' all the time.

 

[Bob65]

Strange how she was living in London the time and didn't see the blatant hypocrisy in her behaviour - she was quite happy to live here, enjoy all the luxuries and protection of the state, but she was also free to criticize our policies.

I wonder how long she would have lasted under the junta with that attitude? The blatant hypocrisy is what gets me, most foreign immigrants living here just don't get it or are completely blind to it. Kinda like seeing the EU immigrants on my FB having a meltdown over Brexit - since when did it have anything to do with them?

It's because people are so used to the freedoms we enjoy here that they take them completely for granted and don't realise that this situation is extraordinary both in geography and history. I made a comment in the BLM thread I think, along the lines of those who have recently immigrated and can compare their situations back wherever they came from with here have totally different attitudes to those born here, who have never known anything else and imagine that here, of all places, they're "oppressed".

(Obviously there are those who came here directly fleeing something and still bite the hand that feeds but they are not merely ignorant, they are quite knowingly taking advantage).

 

[velcrostripes]

You make a fair point about the Latinos. However, I think in an open society there is an element of free speech that has to be tolerated from people with diverse backgrounds.

Personally, I'm not too worried about individuals of Latin American descent as in general, they are not seeking to change "our" society as such, merely railing about perceived injustice wherever they have come from.
They could be characterized as all bark and no bite

They have a vote , and tend to vote for the loony left , which is their prerogative , though I do agree that on the whole they tend to assimilate a lot easier than others

 

[MOzanne]

No. Absolutely not. Under National Socialism, substitute Scociety for Party. Big, fundamental difference.

But as someone once said " who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families" So "Society" is going to mean the state, and the state is run by the ruling party...

Making rights like free speech, free assembly , the vote... subject to the will of the state means they are not rights at all..

 

[syrup]

Just been listening to LBC, I hate to say it, but it seems the traditional Brits have their own view of 'kill the bitch', but then some bloke called Ali rings up and says she should face the law.

Funny how all these immigration lawyers seem to be of a certain demographic. Part of me wonders whether they only support her returning because they have no ties the British culture and would be all too happy to see an Islamic mini state here, many of them already dress the part.

Did anyone point out that the reason she's so keen to get back here is to avoid "Ali's" law.
The law she's unwilling to face in her new adopted paradise will see her dangling from a six foot rope with little risk of repeat offending.

If we allowed Ali and his ilk to have a mini sharia Islamic state here in the UK would he be happy for her to **** their laws over to?

Perhaps someone should release a mocked up video off her saying "**** Allah"
No need to worry then is there

 

[velcrostripes]

Why doesn't she just post a note in lonely hearts section of the refugee camp's noticeboard , find herself ( yet another ) strictly Islamic boy and marry him ?
Oh , of course , because these strict islamic boys give you a beating every night before raping you and then doing the same to any other female that takes their fancy , so now she wants to come " home "

 

[Andy Farman]

Indeed. many of our generation joined the army at 15 as boy soldiers.

Myself included

 

[ex_colonial]

Oddly enough, yesterday on bus going through a very African/Middle-Eastern part of Liverpool, two women of BAME got on together with a baby each. The women were of different ages, but the babies were, well babies. I remember it bothering me that maybe they were fathered by same man as a scheme. As far as babies/children are concerned, wouldn't trust any of them as far as could throw them, but DNA testing is such a no-no

Don't forget the more babies these creatures have, the more benefits they receive, and boy don't they know it ...
Number of ‘Muslim’ children in Britain doubles in a decade (telegraph.co.uk)

 

[velcrostripes]

Note to Shamina , if they do let you back in love , can you pick up some duty free for us ?

 

[The Assassin]

^Given recent events in universities up and down the country, I'd recommend altering voting age to 21...

And only if they paid off ALL their debts

 

[vinniethemanxcat]

A quiet word, a sly million in "Foreign Aid " to take the lot of the murderous, psychotic filth and take them round the back of the bike- sheds for a little arab justice..........

OK, call me a bleeding heart liberal, but they could even forgo the usual gratuitous torture.........

 

[Lifeboat21]

I wonder how long she would have lasted under the junta with that attitude?

Probably depends on the altitude of the Hercules she was to be thrown from.