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Sexual Harassment rife in the Army

#6
Channel 4 you say? So probably just made up statistics and quotes taken from this website?

On the other hand jarrod might have a few minions hanging around.
 
#8
It exists, as it does in every other organization on this planet. But by no means can it realistically be described as "rife".
I believe that but according to the report every single woman said they had been sexually harassed. I find that very difficult to believe when at least 20% must have been absolute growlers. Just going by memory here.
 
#9
I just caught the end of the article, didnt get what prompted it to come to light now but it seems that the RMP lass who killed herself in Bulford was being discussed. Firstly, am I right in thinking that the RN regulators or RAF MP would look into this rather than RMP?
Anyway, what annoyed me is that all of her accusations were being spouted by C4 pretty much as fact insinuating that an assault had taken place and that she was let down by the system. In light of the recent events would this be the similar to Sally Bercow posting a tweet that whilst it didnt say Lord MacAlpine was guilty, was sufficiently mischievious enough to imply it? If so, time for those RMP lads to call in libel lawyers?
Probably not, I flunked law in school as most can tell!
 
#10
I wonder how 'unwanted sexual attention' is judged? Unless you quantify what you consider 'unwanted' then the statistics mean absolutely nothing. If you are actually saying 'has anyone ever asked you out that you didn't fancy or didn't want to ask you out?' then of course you're going to get a high reply. A heterosexual girl may consider a lesbian asking her for a date as unwanted sexual attention but it does not constitute anything that might be considered illegal. If you are asking if someone has ever had unwanted attention forced on them then that is quite another matter. In terms of finding out if there is a problem then I would say the statistics and the question used to obtain them are virtually useless.

The fact is in the Army there is an effective protection system in that most female soldiers will have a female above them whom they can complain to. In a hospital there was a female and a male CoC so any female that felt she had received unwanted advances had a support mechanism. However, again with such a subjective subject I have known plenty of women who figure everyone is entitled to ask for a date and others who will completely freak if the 'wrong' person asks.

The Army makes time and effort to avoid bullying and to educate soldiers as to the expected standards of behaviour. Inevitably and especially where alcohol is involved there will be incidences where people will overstep the mark and provided they are dealt with in context then they act as both warning to others and protection to possible victim.

Equally with bullying you have to be careful to define what might be construed as bullying and what is merely robust behaviour. If someone feels they are being bullied then they should be protected, unfortunately though some people claim they are being bullied because they are being encouraged to operate at a standard they don't aspire to. Generally bullying is best gauged in the eye of the beholder and those around the victim will generally know if they are observing bullying and in my experience they will take steps to ensure the bullying stops.

With current levels of behavioural education and the checks and balances currently in place I find it difficult to believe that sexual harassment and bullying are either endemic or a significant problem although any occurrence of either is totally unacceptable.
 
#11
I believe that but according to the report every single woman said they had been sexually harassed. I find that very difficult to believe when at least 20% must have been absolute growlers. Just going by memory here.
You have to remember what the definition of "sexually harassed" is. Just calling a female a "bint" can be claimed as sexual harassment. Judging by the reaction I have had from female civvies when I've told some of my more mundane tales, I could have a compo claim large enough to see my great grandchildren happily into their old age. Sensible people however call it "banter" and give as good as they get.
 
#12
I wonder how 'unwanted sexual attention' is judged? Unless you quantify what you consider 'unwanted' then the statistics mean absolutely nothing. If you are actually saying 'has anyone ever asked you out that you didn't fancy or didn't want to ask you out?' then of course you're going to get a high reply. A heterosexual girl may consider a lesbian asking her for a date as unwanted sexual attention but it does not constitute anything that might be considered illegal. If you are asking if someone has ever had unwanted attention forced on them then that is quite another matter. In terms of finding out if there is a problem then I would say the statistics and the question used to obtain them are virtually useless.
You're thinking too far down the line. Unwanted sexual attention could be deemed as a female walking into the NAAFI and overhearing a squaddie tell his mates "Look at the jugs on that!"
 
#13
I just caught the end of the article, didnt get what prompted it to come to light now but it seems that the RMP lass who killed herself in Bulford was being discussed. Firstly, am I right in thinking that the RN regulators or RAF MP would look into this rather than RMP?
Anyway, what annoyed me is that all of her accusations were being spouted by C4 pretty much as fact insinuating that an assault had taken place and that she was let down by the system. In light of the recent events would this be the similar to Sally Bercow posting a tweet that whilst it didnt say Lord MacAlpine was guilty, was sufficiently mischievious enough to imply it? If so, time for those RMP lads to call in libel lawyers?
Probably not, I flunked law in school as most can tell!
No you are not right in thinking that.
 
#15
You're thinking too far down the line. Unwanted sexual attention could be deemed as a female walking into the NAAFI and overhearing a squaddie tell his mates "Look at the jugs on that!"
I used to get embarrassed when I used to walk into the BMH NAAFI and hear the QA's going 'look at the arse on that'. I learned to live with it though.
 
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#16
Anyway, what annoyed me is that all of her accusations were being spouted by C4 pretty much as fact insinuating that an assault had taken place and that she was let down by the system.
Can't see why that would annoy you. Ever thought that she just may have been let down by the system? It's not like the system hasn't let people down before, particularly in RMP.
 
#17
You must have had a lot of that, but was it unwanted?
Seriously? (checks it's not the NAAFI) It got old, very fast. One of my postings was to a field ambulance where I was the only female OR, you can bet I got "unwanted sexual attention", but not of the sort you lot think of. Going out on runs, in the middle of the pack and the lads either side of me complaining they were getting black eyes. What did I do? Ran faster. Going down to the cookhouse every morning to get the milk for the Orderly Room, and the sloppos not handing it over until I'd eaten a sugared doughnut without licking my lips. What did I do? Ate the doughnut without licking my lips with five of them stood there watching every bite!

Most of the time I just joined in with the banter. It was quite far and away my favourite posting, the lads, once they learned I wasn't going to start crying at the sight of a broken fingernail, accepted me and judging from their contact with me now, thought highly of me then and still do. I didn't get that respect from crying to the Adj "Sir, Cpl So-and-so said rude things about me". With the respect, the crude comments happened less. Too many people want to bleat about stuff that really doesn't matter. Commenting on the size of a woman's tits/arse/etc does not make a man a potential rapist and those things are going to happen in any male-dominant environment, not just the Army.

I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet, but I got shit right on day one from the CO, who told me in no uncertain terms he did not want me in the unit, had tried to refuse my posting in and that he saw no place for females in a field ambulance. What did I do? I knuckled down, did the best I could and got on with it. I outlasted him, and before he left, he told me I'd singlehandedly changed his mind. Proudest moment of my career.
 
#19
The Army is full of physically fit, confident teenage males who necessarily (due to the nature of their job) exist in a macho environment and are starved of female attention for months on end. They also often work 24/7 so there's no separation between 'sensible time' and 'play time' like there is in the civvie world. If you want to introduce a small percentage of young women into that equation, you'd be an idiot to think that no issues would arise.

It's like complaining that sexual harassment happens in night clubs.

However, if you asked a sensible question like "have you ever been felt up against your will?" or "have you ever worried that a male soldier might rape you?" I would expect the answer to be a resounding no.
 
#20
Seriously? (checks it's not the NAAFI) It got old, very fast. One of my postings was to a field ambulance where I was the only female OR, you can bet I got "unwanted sexual attention", but not of the sort you lot think of. Going out on runs, in the middle of the pack and the lads either side of me complaining they were getting black eyes. What did I do? Ran faster. Going down to the cookhouse every morning to get the milk for the Orderly Room, and the sloppos not handing it over until I'd eaten a sugared doughnut without licking my lips. What did I do? Ate the doughnut without licking my lips with five of them stood there watching every bite!
I might be being a bit dense here but the slop jocks used to play all sorts of tricks on all sorts of people before they'd hand over goods. Similarly a lad getting posted into a hospital would be sent for the long stands and the size five fallopian tubes and that was usually by the females. I had one ward sister who was convinced that all RAMC were morons and would send me on the most outrageous errands. She once told me to go to med stores for a long stretched wait (weight). I went straight next door to the Brook and was sat at the bar chatting up the barmaid. In comes the, on leave, RSM. What the **** are you doing in here in uniform? Sister Davies sent me for a long stretched wait to the med stores.

Mind you the two civvies at BMH Münster CSSD used to have a questionnaire they would hand to a new nurse that came down. It left no room for imagination but I never heard of any girl not filling it in, mainly because they chose only the best looking most confident ones and because they were both considered 'lookers'. Bastards would never divulge the results though!
 

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