I have made this point on one of the MCM Div Roadshows, answer is the Corps doesnt want 50 yr old soldiers serving in Inf LADs apparently as this could cause problems.....strange that the AGC are moving to this though eh as as we all know there are absolutely NO AGC Dets at Inf Battalions?!
Wake up DEME(A) and smell the coffee will you. Instead of mucking about with the CEGs in a wasted effort to man the posts we have why not twin stream.....there must be loads of posts (TA PS, Trg Depots, ACIOs etc) where we could employ soldiers not suitable for front line Inf Bns; what the criteria would be I would hate to hazard a guess.
who would want to work at the age of 55 anyway, especialy after all those yrs served. would be nice to put your feet up and relax on your pension dont you think. coz after that amount of time served the pension would be rather nice dont you think!!
The RAF has much longer terms of service so it could be done. However, you would have to accept the problems that would come with a change to that system: later promotion, a skewed rank/age balance which would be out of step with the rest of the Army, and the increased difficulties of resettling and starting a second career at a later age. I'm all for increasing the length of service from 22 years to, say, 25 for those who want it. That would certainly solve a lot of recruiting/manning shortages (and allow guys to earn a bit more pension). The big problem is that most of the jobs where a senior REME tradesman/artificer would be of most employable eg ATRA and ABRO have been so heavily civilianised in recent years that there are insufficient posts available. The logical answer is to turn back the clock a bit and re-militarise some jobs - but can you really see that happening?
I don't think thats an option somehow, we're having probs filling the posts we have now so re militarising would just create more gaps but thosed sort of posts would be ideal though eh.
I'm really not sure what the best answer is here but I do think that just saying no without putting it out to the Corps members smacks of arrogance from Arborfield/Glasgow if they genuinely believe they know better than the majority.
The NZREME, Aus REMEs and the Canadians all do it. Where is the hardship, i have served alongside under 20's who couldnt pass Annual tests asked of them at 1st Line so why not employ 'earld blerks' who can?!
I'd at least like the option of serving longer, but doing back to backers at 50+ might not be everyones cup of tea mind.
The REMEs will be dead and buried by the time im 40 let alone 55 anyway!
Long live the Corps! (whichever one we will be amalgamated into)
Having worked alongside the Royal Air Farce, there are a lot of full screws who would have been sergeants looking at staffy in the army. The Royal Air Farce has a weird promotion structure any way. Get rid of some of the old and daft top brass working in their ivory towers. Some of them can just get to the top of the tower with a stannah stair lift. they dont worry about pensions as what they do is procure a expensive item for the army (without consultation)and live of the golden handshake/backhander from the company they procured from in their retirement.
Crikey armadillo you're a bit of a cynic eh?!
As if one of the top REME bods would do that, I dunno how you can even suggest such a thing, how dare you!! lol
Poll so far seems to be a 75/25 split, thats pretty conclusive if you ask me.....bets on anyone in Arborfield taking notice of it anyone?? Thought not!!
As long as you keep yourself in good mettle. I cant see a problem with extended service untill 55. My father runs rings around civilian apprentaces while on adventure training weeks & hes well into his 60s. I also know of one TA guy who was made redundant from his civiy job at 49 & then spent the next 6 years as a regular soldier near enough. Ok back to back tours of Bosnia, FI etc maybe not everybodys idea of a good time but it proves there are guys out there who can cut the mustard. At the other end of the scale it would also be nice to see the joining age upped abit aswell. But thats another thread all on its own..
Come on fella's. Surely you cant be saying that if its ok for the air force then its ok for us? Similarly The Aussies and Canadians. We are a heavily deployed branch of the armed forces and lets face it soldiering is a young mans job. Yes, we do lose lots of experience when a tradesman retires at 40 and yes there are guys out there who could still do the job for at least another tour but keeping them in would deny the younger generation the chance to gain the same experience.
I think there is a lot of scope for allowing people to serve past 22yrs (not just for 25 what sort of idea is that). All we need to do is slow down promotion, everyone will still get the chance to gain experience. As long as a soldier is able to pass his annual fitness tests why shouldn't he continue to serve, officers are able to lead a Bn into Ops whilst at a very senior age, why not NCOs. They could also utilise the Manning Control Points properly like the RAF and Navy do i.e. if you are not qualified and recommended for the next promotion then you do not stay in. Why waste so much money training personnel to a high standard just to then get rid of them after possibly only 6 years (the minimum time required post Tiffy), what type of company can continue to survive using these policies especially as there are even fewer people getting qualified nowadays.
Its all about choice tho' Sparky8 me old fella (and i know you aint that old)
There is a complete difference from the people that are dragged out of camp gates on various bits of kit when they retire at 55 as Officers and the pat on back thanks for coming send off we get as OR's at 22 yrs. (I understand if i tried harder at detention centre i coulda made the grade too!)
If you can still push the pulheems and pass the tests there must surely be a place for you in the Corps as an enlisted man.
I joined knowing that my engagement would last 22 if i could stomach it and thats me happy. If others, however, in the same Army as me are offered extended service why should it not be offered to me?
I dont FIX BAYONETS, i fix bayonets, at 55 years forcing one thru someones chest cavity as in Infanteer or putting a new sharpening stone on a scabbard in a Armr shop. There is a subtle difference im sure you will all agree.
Im happy with that Catchy but Im still not convinced. As for Forever Blues idea to slow down promotion, you are in cloud cookoo land. One of the biggest retention bonus' we have is the fact that in the REME promotion is relatively quick thereby giving you Kudos and extra sov's in your pocket. Why the fcuck would lads stay stuck at Crafty and LCpl for years, building that experience and then stay in the Army? We would be on our bare bones if that was the case.
Not as fast as some Medics, and yes, I may be a bit bitter and twisted about that!!
I have yet to find anyone who wants to stay in till they ase 55. You get less for murder and the way this Army is going it can feel like a sentence at times. I am looking forward to a nice pension in a few years though so can't complain that much
Sparky, not living in cloud cuckoo land but in that of reality. In my last unit several of the JNCOs wanted to (and did) transfer to the AGC so that they had the option of being able to serve a full career, rather than having a short advanced career. I also don't think our promotion is all that quick compared to other Corps, if you don't go Tiffy every idiot and his dog will be promoted past your average REME Sgt (who has had a whole load of money spent on training), so the extra sov's are not there for very long.