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service in return for citizenship

#1
The US has a policy of rewarding service in their armed forces with fast tracked and preferential treatment in awarding citizenship.

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/MilitaryBrochurev7.htm

why dont we do the same? offer any potential immigrant the opportunity to become a subject if they agree to serve in our armed forces first. it will at least ensure their loyalty and teach them to speak a form of English :lol:

in fact why dont we make it compulsory for any illegal immigrants caught on our soil :wink: perhaps not armed service in their case :roll:
 
#2
Not sure about them learning an english that woudl get them through any exam (except an arrse one), but i think the idea is a great one!

A slight modification I would make is that immigrants are conscripted up for 2 years and then guarenteed citezenship. If someone who wants to become a citizen is serious enough to do that, then there welcome to citizenship and sh@g my sister anytime!
 
#3
Sorry, disagree on this one. Why make the Army responsible for sorting out the education of illegal immigrants. Besides it smacks of press ganging and will hardly lead to motivated soldiers.
 
#4
Birdie_Numnums said:
Sorry, disagree on this one. Why make the Army responsible for sorting out the education of illegal immigrants. Besides it smacks of press ganging and will hardly lead to motivated soldiers.
Because they will do it better than anyone else - Just like we should be doing it with Chavs. Its a win win event. The UK gets decent people and the army get the fun of beasting them silly to get them there "for their own good".
 
#5
Birdie_Numnums said:
Sorry, disagree on this one. Why make the Army responsible for sorting out the education of illegal immigrants. Besides it smacks of press ganging and will hardly lead to motivated soldiers.

I agree with Birdie. Plus, you'd never know where their loyalties lie, especially when it comes to security. I think there'd be issues.
 
#9
Radical_Dreamer said:
Birdie_Numnums said:
Sorry, disagree on this one. Why make the Army responsible for sorting out the education of illegal immigrants. Besides it smacks of press ganging and will hardly lead to motivated soldiers.

I agree with Birdie. Plus, you'd never know where their loyalties lie, especially when it comes to security. I think there'd be issues.
But if immigrants know they will have to do it before becoming a citizen, will they still make the trip? France may just become more appealing!
 
#10
I don't see a problem with it as long as there is a return of service. Lets face it, we let enough people come in to the country and do nothing but pillage our taxes. We could have a caveat saying they must do 2 years in Afghanistan and 2 in Iraq, with an exemplary record etc etc, then give them housing in Wales, after 10 years good behaviour (and full employment) they would be allowed to apply for housing in England, after a further 10 years they would be allowed to enter some form of lottery for the chance to live in Scotland (obviously with no chance of winning).

:)
 
#11
A lot of our immigrants have already served in Iraq or Afghanistan... Ok they may have been on the other side but that wouldn't stop Bliar giving them citizenship as long as they vote Labour.
 
#12
Birdie_Numnums said:
Sorry, disagree on this one. Why make the Army responsible for sorting out the education of illegal immigrants. Besides it smacks of press ganging and will hardly lead to motivated soldiers.
*cough* ghurkas *cough*
 
#13
recent changes in regard immigration and Ghurkas have certainly set a precedent.

they are an example of the benefits of service in our armed forces with the reward of citizenship awaiting them on completion on their service.

however Ghurkas have a longstanding tradition of service in the British army and is very much a part of their culture. This isnt the case with immigrants who have no such traditions
 
#14
fusilier50 said:
recent changes in regard immigration and Ghurkas have certainly set a precedent.

they are an example of the benefits of service in our armed forces with the reward of citizenship awaiting them on completion on their service.

however Ghurkas have a longstanding tradition of service in the British army and is very much a part of their culture. This isnt the case with immigrants who have no such traditions
Traditions have to start somewhere!!!!!!
 
#15
Birdie_Numnums wrote:
Sorry, disagree on this one. Why make the Army responsible for sorting out the education of illegal immigrants. Besides it smacks of press ganging and will hardly lead to motivated soldiers.

Radical_Dreamer wrote:
I agree with Birdie. Plus, you'd never know where their loyalties lie, especially when it comes to security. I think there'd be issues.

Oneshot
But if immigrants know they will have to do it before becoming a citizen, will they still make the trip? France may just become more appealing!
Don’t agree that the army will be responsible for educating immigrants. Rather it will process applications in the form of two years minimum service. Fail, then France is the alternative option!
 
#16
This isnt the case with immigrants who have no such traditions
The same could be said of men who join the French Foreign Legion.

The French allow Legionnaires to apply for French citizenship after 5 years service. They do background checks on potential recruits these days, they no longer accept anyone with no questions asked.

I see no reason why that could not work for us too. Rather than mix foreign recruits with British regiments, we could have a British Foreign Legion, with British officers and (at first) NCO’s. Give it a hard fighting ethos with regular deployments to the likes of Iraq an Afghanistan, and allow no leave until completion of the recruit’s first contract (say three years). That would deter those who might see it as an easy route to citizenship, and anyone who completes their service will have earned the right to it.
 
#17
i bet the human rights brigade would tear the idea to shreds :roll:
as it would only apply to male immigrants what would we do with their dependants?
 
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#18
Chinggis said:
This isnt the case with immigrants who have no such traditions
The same could be said of men who join the French Foreign Legion.

The French allow Legionnaires to apply for French citizenship after 5 years service. They do background checks on potential recruits these days, they no longer accept anyone with no questions asked.

I see no reason why that could not work for us too. Rather than mix foreign recruits with British regiments, we could have a British Foreign Legion, with British officers and (at first) NCO’s. Give it a hard fighting ethos with regular deployments to the likes of Iraq an Afghanistan, and allow no leave until completion of the recruit’s first contract (say three years). That would deter those who might see it as an easy route to citizenship, and anyone who completes their service will have earned the right to it.
We wouldn't need to give them guns either...........they could bring their own.
 
#19
i bet the human rights brigade would tear the idea to shreds Rolling Eyes
as it would only apply to male immigrants what would we do with their dependants?
If their Husbands/Fathers/Sons fail then the dependants are barred entry. Simple :D
 
#20
In my opinion this is a severely retrograde step:

1. Who trains them?
2. Who commands them?
3. Why would anyone want to train and command a non-volunteer force?
4. Conscript Armies have a totally different ethos from a volunteer Army - it changes the whole Army regardless. The discipline of conscripts is necessarily harsher and more brutal than in a volunteer Army.

The Army has taken about 45 years to just about drop the bullshit associated with conscription, why would we want to start again? Lets get those stones painted (that'll occupy the soldiers meaningfully), lets fill their days with meaningless rubbish.
 

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