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Sergey How could you ?

#2
jonwilly said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4743144.stm
john
Been watching to many 'Stones'.
The story was reported on Russian TV, I heard about it on Radio Echo of Moscow and I read this article on BBC. Moreover, I thought about placing of this story here on this forum but I doubted that it would be interesting to our friends.

I'm happy that it is interesting to you.

Indeed, detailed, high quality images of Russian warships are not available. The main cause is a stupid desire to keep them in secret. Few year ago Norwegian king asked to visit huge Russian battleship 'Peter the Great'. He received polite NO. Why?

I recall old Russian saying

There are two problems in Russia - fools and roads.

But we Russians (as our American friends) are ready to laugh at ourselves. Let's laugh together.
 
#8
Seeing the Russian navy now consist of two row boots with catapults mounted on the front its not great surprise they borrowed another nations picture.
 
#9
Greengrass said:
Seeing the Russian navy now consist of two row boots with catapults mounted on the front its not great surprise they borrowed another nations picture.
That may be the whole point. They are still so keen to keep everything secret out of embarrassment as to the actual state of their once proud Navy.
 
#11
Sergey you navy is a joke the most famous Russian vessel was a creation by a Yank author. Look back at the last two big incidents involving the Russian navy neither time did you come out with much credibility. The Royal Navy may be lacking in large surface ship but it is manned by a well trained professional force even if they are slightly camp. The Russian navy by all accounts feeds its troop dog food as ration cost to much.
 
#12
Greengrass said:
Sergey you navy is a joke the most famous Russian vessel was a creation by a Yank author. Look back at the last two big incidents involving the Russian navy neither time did you come out with much credibility. The Royal Navy may be lacking in large surface ship but it is manned by a well trained professional force even if they are slightly camp. The Russian navy by all accounts feeds its troop dog food as ration cost to much.
Greengrass!

You expressed your opinion. You have right to it. Russian navy is in crisis? Maybe. It is much weaker than RN? Not sure. Is American Navy much stronger than Russian one? No doubt.

Many unique technologies are being used in Russian navy. I doubt that RN has something like this (the vessels are also in service with the Greek Navy. Three vessels were commissioned in 2001)

 
#14
The question must be asked as to why the Russian navy is being maintained at all. True the RN is now little more than a costal defence force. There job when the balloon goes up is to escort the army to a SPOD. Could they do it is doubtful have we even got the capability to launch a flotilla to retake the Falkland? Its other role is a nuclear deterrent which it does very well.

Under what circumstance would the Russian require a powerful Blue water navy? Your not a island and don’t rely on maintaining shipping lanes do the Russians keep war heads at sea any more? Surly the Navy is merely a prestige thing for you and realistically the money could be spent better else where.
 
#15
Greengrass said:
The question must be asked as to why the Russian navy is being maintained at all. True the RN is now little more than a costal defence force. There job when the balloon goes up is to escort the army to a SPOD. Could they do it is doubtful have we even got the capability to launch a flotilla to retake the Falkland? Its other role is a nuclear deterrent which it does very well.

Under what circumstance would the Russian require a powerful Blue water navy? Your not a island and don’t rely on maintaining shipping lanes do the Russians keep war heads at sea any more? Surly the Navy is merely a prestige thing for you and realistically the money could be spent better else where.
Good questions I should say. Indeed, why Russia should have strong enough navy? What are possible causes?

There is an unresolved dispute with Norway about boundaries of economical zones. Norway showed its resolve to use force even in international waters.

Japan demands a return of Southern Kurile islands. Now Japanese navy is too weak but who knows what we can expect in the future?

Former Soviet foreign minister Shevardnadze (he was also Georgian president) signed an agreement with USA. According to it huge aquatories in Bering sea were declared as American economical zone. The agreemnet was not ratified by Soviet (and Russian) parliament. According to the international law Russia has right to break the agreement. Later or sooner it will happen. Now Russian navy is too weak to support claim for fair divide of neutral zone.

Russia is a huge country and zones that are close to its boundaries are in fact a half of the World. So strong navy is essetial in defence of national interests worldwide.

Russia is an important producer of weapons (including warships). Even NATO countries (like Greece) are among consumers. Without own strong navy this business would not be successfull.

http://www.mosnews.com/money/2005/08/25/armsvenezuela.shtml

Russian Arms Export Agency Talks Business With Venezuelan Navy
Btw, Russian anti-ship missiles are extremely good (hint for RN).
 
#16
There is an unresolved dispute with Norway about boundaries of economical zones. Norway showed its resolve to use force even in international waters.
Do you really see a situation in which this dispute would become hot?

Japan demands a return of Southern Kurile islands. Now Japanese navy is too weak but who knows what we can expect in the future?
ditto



Former Soviet foreign minister Shevardnadze (he was also Georgian president) signed an agreement with USA. According to it huge aquatories in Bering sea were declared as American economical zone. The agreemnet was not ratified by Soviet (and Russian) parliament. According to the international law Russia has right to break the agreement. Later or sooner it will happen. Now Russian navy is too weak to support claim for fair divide of neutral zone.

No matter how many new shiny ship you buy the Russian navy will never be a match for the USN so why waste money trying.


Russia is a huge country and zones that are close to its boundaries are in fact a half of the World. So strong navy is essetial in defence of national interests worldwide.

Russia has no over seas empire what interest do you have abroad that could be influenced by a naval intervention. Surly Russia main offensive weapon has always been its army. Currant dispute in former USSR states in which Russia has a vested interest surly are all land locked and a navy no matter how good would be little help.
 
#17
Greengrass said:
There is an unresolved dispute with Norway about boundaries of economical zones. Norway showed its resolve to use force even in international waters.
Do you really see a situation in which this dispute would become hot?

If Russia would be voided its navy then Norwegians simply would establish their rules. Fleet in being is a geopolitical factor

Japan demands a return of Southern Kurile islands. Now Japanese navy is too weak but who knows what we can expect in the future?
ditto

ditto

Former Soviet foreign minister Shevardnadze (he was also Georgian president) signed an agreement with USA. According to it huge aquatories in Bering sea were declared as American economical zone. The agreemnet was not ratified by Soviet (and Russian) parliament. According to the international law Russia has right to break the agreement. Later or sooner it will happen. Now Russian navy is too weak to support claim for fair divide of neutral zone.
No matter how many new shiny ship you buy the Russian navy will never be a match for the USN so why waste money trying.

It is not a question of numbers, it is a question of presence. Constant presence of even a dozen of modern warships in this remote region would be enough. Any attack could unleash WW3. And both parties don't wish it.

Russia is a huge country and zones that are close to its boundaries are in fact a half of the World. So strong navy is essetial in defence of national interests worldwide.
Russia has no over seas empire what interest do you have abroad that could be influenced by a naval intervention. Surly Russia main offensive weapon has always been its army. Currant dispute in former USSR states in which Russia has a vested interest surly are all land locked and a navy no matter how good would be little help.

I don't think that role Russian navy should be offensive, it should be defensive no doubt. USA haven't 'over seas empire' (at least from formal point of view) but use its navy in own interests. Russia has the same right. Who knows what would be Russian national interests 10-20-30 years later? Again fleet in being is a very usefull thing in diplomatic games
 
#18
KGB_resident said:
polar69 said:
Iraq ?? Weapons of mass distruction ? El Presidente Bush ?
Iraq, more than 2 thousands killed American soldiers. No, it is not a proper cause for laugh.

WMD? Maybe, but it is an old theme.

El Presidente? Oh, yes. And as I see our American friends are laughing at their president as well.

http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/posters/index.asp

You make a mistake in thinking that left wing sites are represenative of the American public.
 
#19
tomahawk6 said:
You make a mistake in thinking that left wing sites are represenative of the American public.
Nation that is unable to laugh on own leader lives under dictatorship.







Putin in puppet-show on TV. Btw, is there puppet-show (with Bush as a character) on main American TV-channels?
 
#20
History has proved that a nation invades Russia at it peril. Even in the future what country would be foolish enough to make Napoleon as and Hitler Mistake? In both these cases however the Russian navy played little or no part. My Grandfather served on the Russian convoys during the war how many Russian convoys came the other way? Russia would do better than to enter a my dick/Navy is better than your contest and put the money where it is better served.
 

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