Serbia are helping Mladic shocker!

#1
Serbian agents 'helping Mladic'

The Serbian security services know where most-wanted Bosnian Serb war crimes suspect Ratko Mladic is hiding, a top Belgrade official has said.
"They know if he is in Serbia, and they know if he is not. They are paid to know," Serbia and Montenegro Foreign Minister Vuk Draskovic said.

Speaking to the UK's Financial Times newspaper, he said Mr Mladic depended on such "protection" to avoid arrest.

Mr Mladic is accused of genocide over the 1995 Srebrenica massacre in Bosnia.

He has been on the run since the Bosnian war ended a decade ago.

"It is only logical that the security services know where Mladic is," Mr Draskovic said.

Top suspects

Mr Mladic and former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic are believed to be in either Serbia and Montenegro or the Bosnian Serb Republic.

Each man faces 16 counts of genocide, crimes against humanity and violation of the laws of war. Their squads are accused of killing more than 7,500 Muslims at Srebrenica.

Mr Mladic's wartime deputy Milan Gvero surrendered to the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague in February.

The Serb authorities have come under intense Western pressure to hand over those wanted by the tribunal.

Belgrade says it is currently looking for Nebojsa Pavkovic, a top Serbian general wanted for crimes committed during the Kosovo campaign.

Earlier this week Mr Draskovic said he believed Serbian security agents were also helping Mr Pavkovic to hide.

He warned that if Belgrade allowed Mr Pavkovic to evade justice it would jeopardise its relations with the EU and its role in the Kosovo status negotiations.
Having spent the best part of 2 years of my life chasing these idiots around the Balkans, I can't say I'm too surprised by this admission. However, what is interesting is that this issue is being raised by a Serb Minister in the open media. Does this mean that large rifts are appearing in the Serb Govt between the ultra-nationalists and the pro-European lobby?

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#3
Calypso said:
Having spent the best part of 2 years of my life chasing these idiots around the Balkans, I can't say I'm too surprised by this admission. However, what is interesting is that this issue is being raised by a Serb Minister in the open media. Does this mean that large rifts are appearing in the Serb Govt between the ultra-nationalists and the pro-European lobby?
Or another cynical attempt by Mr Draskovic to re-invent himself?

msr
 
#4
Hackle,

I saw that yesterday as well. Is it utterly cynical to assume that nothing will ever happen to the 'really big fish' for a variety of reasons? :D

For example, on 30 Mar 05, the President of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, Judge Theodor Meron, granted Miroslav Kvocka’s request for early release pursuant to Article 28 of the Statute of the Tribunal, and Rules 124 and 125 of the Rules of Evidence and Procedure.

This bloke was found guilty by virtue of his individual criminal responsibility on one count of crimes against humanity (persecutions) and two counts of violations of the laws or customs of war ( murder and torture) and sentenced to seven years' imprisonment which was upheld by the Appeals Chamber.

Time off for good behaviour m'lud!
 
#5
Hi!

Btw, have you took part in this operation?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/3588341.stm

A priest and his son were injured in the operation in the Bosnian mountain town of Pale by around 40 troops from the US, Britain and other countries.

The BBC's Nick Hawton in Belgrade said the troops surrounded a church and a priest's house in the town of Pale, near the Bosnian capital Sarajevo, in the early hours of Thursday.

They used explosives to break into the building, shattering windows and leaving a hole at the main entrance.

Serbian Orthodox priest Jeremia Starovlah and his son Aleksandar were wounded in the blast.

They were evacuated by military helicopter to a civilian hospital in the northern town of Tuzla.

A hospital spokeswoman said both had suffered heavy injuries to the head and the priest was on a life support machine.

"Their lives are still in danger," said spokeswoman Amra Odobasic.
Now look at official SFOR web site

http://www.nato.int/sfor/media/2004/ms040408t.htm

The latest SFOR operation in Pale, during which Jeremija Starovlah and his son Aleksandar were seriously injured, can only be described as absurd. At the end of January, SFOR troops visited the Parochial Home in Pale and took pictures of absolutely everything. Priest Starovlah told them to search every corner of the house but not to use force because it would be a sin. He promised to open every door to them.
I wonder, why NATO troops simply hadn't knock at the door? Priests house was investigated previously. So why brutal force was used?
 
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KGB Bloke - are you really suggesting that 'Reporter', 'Glas Srpske' and 'Oslobodjenje' are:

1. Pursuing no agenda at all.
2. Completely engaged with the need for a SSE.
3. Even capable of recognising the truth in any matter without referring everything to purely nationalistic terms.

This is a wind-up...right? :D
 
#7
Calypso said:
KGB Bloke - are you really suggesting that 'Reporter', 'Glas Srpske' and 'Oslobodjenje' are:

1. Pursuing no agenda at all.
2. Completely engaged with the need for a SSE.
3. Even capable of recognising the truth in any matter without referring everything to purely nationalistic terms.

This is a wind-up...right? :D
Dear friend!

There was an information that the house was previously investigated. This information was placed on official SFOR web-site. If it is not true then SFOR could make a statement that the house was not investigated. But we don't see such a statement. So we can regard fact (that the house was previously investigated) as established.

No matter who tells the truth (if it is a truth indeed).

As to your questions

1. Pursuing no agenda at all.

Of course they are biased.

2. Completely engaged with the need for a SSE.

What is SSE?

3. Even capable of recognising the truth in any matter without referring everything to purely nationalistic terms.

I think that anybody is capable to recognise the truth with some, though very important exceptions. I mean politicians.

Thank you for replay!

Regards!
 
#8
I find nothing I hear from the RS surprises me anymore, nor indeed do I find any of it unbelievable either. What I find amazing is that the Serbian establishment can achieve in five years what it took the Federal German political elite thirty years to achieve. Or, are Slavs inherently better at denial than Erichs?
 
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Cuddles said:
I find nothing I hear from the RS surprises me anymore, nor indeed do I find any of it unbelievable either. What I find amazing is that the Serbian establishment can achieve in five years what it took the Federal German political elite thirty years to achieve. Or, are Slavs inherently better at denial than Erichs?
Dear Cuddles!

What do your know about Srebrenica?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3719434.stm

A former Bosnian Muslim commander who led the defence of Srebrenica against Bosnian Serbs has been dubbed a "warlord" in his trial at The Hague.

Naser Oric, 37, is the first Muslim to be charged with war crimes committed in the Srebrenica area.

...

Mr Oric's lawyers say the attacks on Serb villages were legitimate actions against military and strategic targets, or operations to obtain food for the starving population of Srebrenica.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2550801.stm

About 7,000 Muslim men were killed after Serb forces took over Srebrenica in 1995, which was under the protection of Dutch peacekeepers.
So this Naser Oric made his raids against peaceful Serbian villages under the protection of Dutch peacekeepers. And note, only men, armed men were killed. So it is not a genocide, it is a war.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/675945.stm


The Bosnian Serb commander Ratko Mladic entered Srebrenica two hours later, accompanied by Serb camera crews. In the evening, General Mladic summoned Colonel Karremans to a meeting at which he delivered an ultimatum that the Muslims must hand over their weapons to guarantee their lives.
....
About 15,000 Bosnian Muslim fighters had attempted to escape from Srebrenica overnight and were shelled as they fled through the mountains.
As you see "Muslim fighters" were armed, rejected surrender and tried to escape. Many were killed in battle. Many managed to escape.

No doubt that many Muslim POWs were killed. But they were killed then other 15000 "Muslim fighters" tried to escape and maybe free their mates.

If there is a real threat that POWs could be freed by enemy they can be killed because if they would be freed they would kill you.

I don't like killing of POWs but it is a war.
 
#11
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn/Forums/viewtopic/t=14550.html

This might explain the sudden willingness to co-operate

There has been sustained pressure from the Paddy Pantsdown Ashdown the OHR and Carla Del Ponte among others

A number of articles appeared last year in magazines like the Sarajevo daily "Dnevni avaz" exposed links between Belgrade the RS regime and Mladic (among others) which continued long after the supposed split.

How else do you think they could remain on the run?

PIFWC lifts are always extremely difficult to co-ordinate and keep secret.

Remember in 1998 when the Czech BG assisted with the lift of a pair of twins who had been paid to assume the IDs of the real crims. The good ole boys burst in, didnt confirm the IDs properly and promptly beat the shiete of them. When it became common knowledge that they had got the wrong blokes the two freaks were paraded around on Serb TV saying look what NATO has done to us :roll:
 
#12
Calypso said:
Hackle,

I saw that yesterday as well. Is it utterly cynical to assume that nothing will ever happen to the 'really big fish' for a variety of reasons? :D

For example, on 30 Mar 05, the President of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, Judge Theodor Meron, granted Miroslav Kvocka’s request for early release pursuant to Article 28 of the Statute of the Tribunal, and Rules 124 and 125 of the Rules of Evidence and Procedure.

This bloke was found guilty by virtue of his individual criminal responsibility on one count of crimes against humanity (persecutions) and two counts of violations of the laws or customs of war ( murder and torture) and sentenced to seven years' imprisonment which was upheld by the Appeals Chamber.

Time off for good behaviour m'lud!
Interesting, Calypso about Kvocka's release. Prosecutor was consulted and did not oppose. Kvocka not a "big fish"; he was 2IC at Omarska. I think the Appeals Chamber said something at the time of his partly-successful appeal against conviction along the lines that his efforts to prevent crimes by others had not been adequate to escape conviction on the remaining charges. He accepted in his own evidence the terrible things which had happened at Omarska, and much of the case turned on whether or not he must have known at the time what was going on, and whether he was or was not a shift commander, etc.

It was argued on Kvocka's behalf at his trial and appeal that he is married to a Bosnian Muslim and was ultimately sacked from Omarska under suspicion of being a traitor to those he was serving. I wouldnt personally draw the conclusion from his case that nothing will ever happen to any of the "big fish".
 

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