Septics to be withdrawn from Iraq by the end of this year.

#3
Well, the ones in traditional uniform, anyway.
 
#5
If I was sceptical I'd think that there was a Presidential election coming up.... oh hang on...
 
#6
Good news I'd say and at least the Iraqis have some quality US trucks to cut about in. Only been blown up once in Afghanistan and repaired by me!!!!
 
#7
A Buddy of mine just returned from a Year in Basra with TF Excelsior (NYARNG 501st EOD) 3 Casualties.
I always thought an end of a war meant an end of hostilities. I am not sure how the US could consider that they won the war in Iraq as the ending is almost similar to losing in Vietnam. The US started a war, carried it on for a long time, then pulled back its combat troops despite the war raging, then pulled out completely whilst the war raged. The only bit we haven't got to as yet is the pull out (or strategic withdrawal) which will happen in a few months apparently.
 
#8
The pull out has been in full swing for a few weeks here in Taji. The kit thats ending up here and then being shipped on is unreal. I have never seen so much equipment and i am told this is only the start of the hardware.
 
#9
I always thought an end of a war meant an end of hostilities. I am not sure how the US could consider that they won the war in Iraq as the ending is almost similar to losing in Vietnam. The US started a war, carried it on for a long time, then pulled back its combat troops despite the war raging, then pulled out completely whilst the war raged. The only bit we haven't got to as yet is the pull out (or strategic withdrawal) which will happen in a few months apparently.
What are you on about? They pacified Iraq. No war is raging.
 
#12
Indeed not, far from it, but the strategy is very similar. Even though it is a small amount, in comparison to a few years ago, it is still a fair amount...not a tiny amount and it shows that the country is far from stable and is highly likely to get worse.
 
#13
The septics are being replaced by 11th (UK) Pikey Bde, they're on their way to tarmac the roads and replace all the telephone lines.

They're taking all their own kit, which they've sourced all over Britain.
 
#14
The old adage rings true again. If you are fighting on your home ground you usually will win in the end. True of the American War of Independence and the all-time classic example Vietnam.
 
#16
For God's sake and people stop comparing everything to Vietnam when theres no actual historical context?
 
#17
For God's sake and people stop comparing everything to Vietnam when theres no actual historical context?
The strategy is the only similarity....go in thinking its an easy win, find out it isn't.....pump in loads of troops.....still find it isn't an easy win....leggit under the pretext that it was a win.
 
#19
The strategy is the only similarity....go in thinking its an easy win, find out it isn't.....pump in loads of troops.....still find it isn't an easy win....leggit under the pretext that it was a win.
Won't pretend to be Mystic Meg but hopefully Iraq's going to a bit more stable than it would have been if not for the surge. I'd imagine its still a pretty unpleasant place to live and theres plenty of ongoing sectarian barbarism which once again makes me glad I won the lottery of life, but hopefully they are heading in the right direction.
 
#20
Vietnam is an American State?
It must be - after all they won that war...er...it was probably a draw which is as good as a win...er...and it was the fault of all the goddamed hippie peace-nixs...er...yup!

However, the withdrawal from Iraq, and the drawdown of troops in Afghanistan smells more to me like a polictical decision rather than a military one. I wonder how military commanders in the US view this? Are they:

a. Glad to get out of that sh!thole?
b. Glad to be gone but have a feeling of a job not quite done yet?
c. Angry because the politico's like to keep interferring how the war is fought in order to gain a few votes?
 

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