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Septics finally getting it?

#1
http://www.noendbutvictory.com/?p=241

Back in the United States, the Marine Corps and Army set about devising more thorough, customized and realistic training programs. Some of their revamped methods will get a big test with the latest major round of deployments in Southern California. About 25,000 Marines and sailors, most of them from Camp Pendleton, will head to Iraq in the coming months.

The Army, convinced that its urban combat strategies are on track, has focused on beefing up its cultural programs. Hundreds of Arabic speakers now populate its training sites in Germany, Louisiana and California.

“We moved to another phase of operations in which the cultural aspect was important,” said Army spokesman Lt. Col. Richard Harms. “It is no longer close in and destroy the enemy. We have to build relationships with Iraqis on the street.”

msr
 
#6
Funny, but a Marine I know who spent some time working with the Black Watch in Al Anbar province said that they came swanning in with the attitude that "These Yanks don't know anything about COIN", the whole "berets, not helmets" deal, etc etc. They proceeded to act like they were still in Basra. Let their guard down...then there was a Warrior blown up, and a number of Brit soldiers killed, unfortunately. He said that the Black Watch troops fairly quickly realized that the Marines DID know what they were about, given their area of operations. Al Anbar ain't Basra. The Sunni Triangle is rather more....active than are the Shi'ite areas.

[Edit:] By the way, he generally had extremely good things to say about the BW. Just that they had a rather brutal reality check in their first few days. They "got it" quickly, to their credit.
 
#7
Yank lurker you are mis informed i was part of the Black Watch battle group at Camp Dogwood and we
always had our helmets on when we crossed the berm out of Dogwood and in Dogwood they were clipped
to our body armour .You are right about the sunni triangle ,it made Basrah seem like down town Epsom
 
#8
Yank_Lurker said:
Funny, but a Marine I know who spent some time working with the Black Watch in Al Anbar province said that they came swanning in with the attitude that "These Yanks don't know anything about COIN", the whole "berets, not helmets" deal, etc etc. They proceeded to act like they were still in Basra. Let their guard down...then there was a Warrior blown up, and a number of Brit soldiers killed, unfortunately. He said that the Black Watch troops fairly quickly realized that the Marines DID know what they were about, given their area of operations. Al Anbar ain't Basra.
A number of Brits killed when a Warrior was hit??? At Dogwood??
 
#9
Filbert Fox said:
Yank_Lurker said:
Funny, but a Marine I know who spent some time working with the Black Watch in Al Anbar province said that they came swanning in with the attitude that "These Yanks don't know anything about COIN", the whole "berets, not helmets" deal, etc etc. They proceeded to act like they were still in Basra. Let their guard down...then there was a Warrior blown up, and a number of Brit soldiers killed, unfortunately. He said that the Black Watch troops fairly quickly realized that the Marines DID know what they were about, given their area of operations. Al Anbar ain't Basra.
A number of Brits killed when a Warrior was hit??? At Dogwood??
Your google-fu is weak, Grasshopper...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1343707,00.html
 

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#11
paveway_3 said:
You are right about the sunni triangle,it made Basrah seem like down town Epsom
Feck me! I'm packing my kit to fly home to Epsom - if it's anything like Basra at the moment, my missus will be threatened for buying booze in Sainsburys, and the Council workers will all be off work. Come to think of it, there may be similarities....

Back to the Septics - too late, I'm afraid. The sight of a US uniform is, in most of the South, enough to put the local's backs up. The US here are great chaps, but they have, by actions elsewhere, made themselves incredibly unpopular with most of the populace.

There are Countries here - not naming names - who refuse to let their Soldiers do anything that involves them being seen with a US Soldier. Odd, but true.
 
#12
I agree old snowy , they are good at the old ''war fighting'' role but peace support ops etc etc thats a
different thing .The locals in Iraq are not too happy to have the US about due to the way they have
handled things ,bit like good cop bad cop with us brits being the nice guys .
 
#13
Well I didnt say that it didnt happen but in the post above it was made to sound like there were dead everywhere, ala the US marine landing craft that was blown up killing 14.
All very sad but it does sound like the poster was trying to 'up the body count' a bit.
 
#14
Ummmmm, no.

Filbert Fox said:
Well I didnt say that it didnt happen but in the post above it was made to sound like there were dead everywhere, ala the US marine landing craft that was blown up killing 14.
All very sad but it does sound like the poster was trying to 'up the body count' a bit.
 
#16
Before anyone continues with traditonal yank bashing take a few minutes to have a look at what they are doing in their new optag packages. They have cottoned onto language training big style and seem to have press-ganged everyone with an ounce of Iraqi blood to come and take part. As far as realism is concerned they have enlisted amuptee veterans for cassim and have shipped in all the right vehicles, buildings, and road signs. There are more people delivering the package than taking it, makes out optag look decidely half-arrsed.

A quote that stood out was "we can't engage with the enemy if we can't converse with him".
 
#17
GoodIdeaAtTheTime said:
Before anyone continues with traditonal yank bashing take a few minutes to have a look at what they are doing in their new optag packages. They have cottoned onto language training big style and seem to have press-ganged everyone with an ounce of Iraqi blood to come and take part. As far as realism is concerned they have enlisted amuptee veterans for cassim and have shipped in all the right vehicles, buildings, and road signs. There are more people delivering the package than taking it, makes out optag look decidely half-arrsed.

A quote that stood out was "we can't engage with the enemy if we can't converse with him".
Such is the beauty of a more sensible defence budget.

Of course in the UK we'd rather cut the defence (although not in 'real terms' as the MoD propaganda tells us) and give the money to the NHS for another couple of hundred diversity consultants or sector managers.
 

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