September 11

Gout Man

LE
Book Reviewer
Incredible account. I watched a programme last night on The Two Towers, back in the 60’s when the idea was conceived the architect who was picked the building of them right through to the collapse, they were less than thirty years old.
Earlier in the week I watched four programmes, now been an ex Met cop I said said to my wife ”what must have it been like been on duty there? Well we have some idea now thanks to @LD17 .
The Met set up a charity where we could sign over an hours pay to go to The NYPD I can’t remember how much was raised, and reading this reminded me of it, did @LD17 hear of this and if so how it was used?
A lot of very brave people that day, both in and out of uniform.:salut:
 

LD17

MIA
Incredible account. I watched a programme last night on The Two Towers, back in the 60’s when the idea was conceived the architect who was picked the building of them right through to the collapse, they were less than thirty years old.
Earlier in the week I watched four programmes, now been an ex Met cop I said said to my wife ”what must have it been like been on duty there? Well we have some idea now thanks to @LD17 .
The Met set up a charity where we could sign over an hours pay to go to The NYPD I can’t remember how much was raised, and reading this reminded me of it, did @LD17 hear of this and if so how it was used?
A lot of very brave people that day, both in and out of uniform.:salut:
Gout,
We had a lot of Bobbies from across the pond come out to help also. I never heard about the money collection, that I recall, but I do seem to remember a group doing a charity run for us. My friend Nicki & Sean run a Tea Shop (Tea & Sympathy) in the Precinct which almost became the unofficial UK Consulate, as everyone seemed to check in there when in NYC.
 

LD17

MIA
12. Epilogue

I didn't have a day off until October 1, which wasn't really a day off, our Precinct sent a group of us to Norfolk, Virginia to the funeral of a Norfolk Police Dept Officer that was shot and killed in the Line of Duty. Norfolk PD had come up to help us after 9/11 so it was the least we could do.

Like I mentioned, since we lost a member of our Precinct, Police Officer James Leahy, we were given a permanent post down at Ground Zero until he was found (we also kept him on active duty so his wife and kids could keep getting a salary). Eventually we even had some Teamsters help us build a shack at the location on West Street & Albany Street that we manned 24/7. Our official duties were to man this post (which became a checkpoint in and out of the area) but we usually took turns manning it while other guys went to dig or help out in some other way.

Jimmy was found on February 5, 2002...he had last been seen helping firefighters carry Scott Packs up the stairs of the North Tower. After the South Tower fell his last radio transmission was that he was 'heading down". He was found with firefighters and civilians, in what had been (at least we think it was) the lobby of the North Tower.....they all had almost made it out. I also have to mention Bomb Squad Detective Claude "Danny" Richards. The Bomb Squad worked out of our Precinct and he lived a couple of blocks away. He was last seen on the roof of WTC Building 7, IIRC, when the North Tower came down it took out the side of the building he was on (WTC 7 fully collapsed from this damage later on the day of 9/11). Danny was a bachelor, I am told that when they went to his apartment they found on his desk his Will and his shield backing (we mounted our shields on a leather backing that also held our nameplates and medals), almost as if he knew he wasn't coming home that day.

Though the estimates of hundreds of NYPD members dead never materialized that day, it unfortunately has come to pass. 9/11 cancers and other ailments have taken a toll. Ned ...Edward Doyle Thompson, the SNEU Sergeant, (the dealers had given him a nickname, "Big Country" due to his large size) succumbed to 9/11 cancer in 2008. (Ned's dad told me once that, Ned had told him he had sent Mike and I up to the roof of that building on 9/11 and when we lost contact he was frantic that he lost us). Angelo Peluso to 9/11 cancer in 2006, plus many others from my Precinct, like Jacqueline Schaefer (who was like another mom to me when I got on The Job) succumbed in 2011. Many more friends and even my old partner had, as one called it "a touch of cancer", though so far everyone is still here (though some are missing some parts). Everyone I have mentioned only by initials or first names are alive and kicking but we have all since retired. As for me you may ask...well just "a touch" of diminished lung capacity (went from 92% in 2009 to 69% and I am still pretty svelte I must say, though not at my zero percent body fat like when I came on The Job!) and screwed up sinuses (three surgeries and counting). I get asked all the time if I had to do it all over again, would I go down that day, knowing everything I know now? Well I don't think about it when I answer yes, it was my Job.....




One last note, besides the illnesses, the NYPD was decimated one other way that day, we just didn't know it at the time. When I had come on, The Job was filled with guys that had 15, 20, 30 or more years on. Guys/Gals wouldn't leave until maybe their kids were out of college. We did everything together, went out drinking, went on vacations, guys wouldn't take days off, afraid they might "miss" something at work. After 9/11 and the year plus that followed guys made so much overtime that they had to retire (our pension at the time was half pay after 20 including overtime). With them went countless years of experience and frankly common sense.....alot of the NYPD's current problems stem from this mass exodus of knowledge and talent from 2003 onward.
 
So 20 years later, I guess I should take a page from @ex_colonial ..

1. The Prelude

On the morning of September 10 I played my last (didn't know it at the time) ice hockey game for the Precinct team (NYPD is divided in 76 Precincts, 77 now, which are based on something called coterminality. In 1977 the City was divided up so that each neighborhood had its own Community Board, Police Precinct, Fire Coys, etc.) I then came in for a 4x12 tour (1500x2335, Patrol worked eight hours and thirty five minutes, so each tour would overlap, with three of these tours each day. 1st Platoon was Midnights, 2nd Platoon Day Tours, 3rd Platoon Four Bys). It was a normal day, assigned Sector Henry/Ida (Precincts were divided into a varying number of sectors, optimally each sector would get a car with two Cops in it but even with almost 45,000 personnel this rarely happened. BTW we, NYPD, used a different phonetic alphabet...Adam, Boy, Charlie, Eddie, Frank, George,.....) and went End of Tour at 2340. Got home after midnight and watched "Trainspotting". Fell asleep but had to be back at work for 0400, Tuesday September 11 was election day in NYC and the NYPD ran elections in NYC. (There used to be a NYPD Bureau of Elections, the Tammany Hall Democratic machine had previously used it to make sure you voted for the right candidates...) We basically set up the voting machines (these were massive machines which required the voter to throw a lever not unlike a railway track switch lever, to register their votes). Then a Cop stayed at the polling place until it closed, gathered the vote tallies, brought them to the Precinct and then the tallies were entered in an MSDOS (black screen green letters) program by Cops trained to do this, one of them was me, hence the reason I had to be there at 0400 to help set up and prepare for the day.


My bold... for some reason I only spotted this today despite it being written a week ago and have just read it all.
A really great first hand account of probably one of the most infamous cowardly attacks on civilians by brainwashed religious scum in the name of their evil, distorted religion in history.
My memoirs in comparison covers a 3 year period, where yes, there were times I was in danger, friends & acquaintances of mine were killed & maimed but most other times I was having and living a normal life as a policeman, ok in a very different environment to the UK & USA. But never in such a brutal concentrated time scale as your memoirs and very few if any of us in the NRP suffered the longer terms health problems that you & your colleagues suffered.
It is a really good and gripping read and you should try to get someone to publish it. My little a/c of my time in the NRP was thankfully picked up by the British Empire website and got a little more exposure to the world. Perhaps "Time" magazine should run it instead of putting the toxic Meghan & Harry on the front cover.
 
I have taken the liberty of posting a link on this thread "happy-st-skyscrapers-day"
as well and will do so on FB, it should be read!
 

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
@LD17 - good job Officer.

I was in the Pentagon in June 2001, the guy we visited then lost his XO and his secretary when the other flight ploughed in there.

Fast forward to 2016 , some pr1ck on a filmset (who was probably about 5 years old when it happened) started telling me how it was all a hoax.....I bit, then had to walk away.

Thank you for taking the time to share your personal recollection. And seconded - it deserves a wider audience.
 

LD17

MIA
My bold... for some reason I only spotted this today despite it being written a week ago and have just read it all.
A really great first hand account of probably one of the most infamous cowardly attacks on civilians by brainwashed religious scum in the name of their evil, distorted religion in history.
My memoirs in comparison covers a 3 year period, where yes, there were times I was in danger, friends & acquaintances of mine were killed & maimed but most other times I was having and living a normal life as a policeman, ok in a very different environment to the UK & USA. But never in such a brutal concentrated time scale as your memoirs and very few if any of us in the NRP suffered the longer terms health problems that you & your colleagues suffered.
It is a really good and gripping read and you should try to get someone to publish it. My little a/c of my time in the NRP was thankfully picked up by the British Empire website and got a little more exposure to the world. Perhaps "Time" magazine should run it instead of putting the toxic Meghan & Harry on the front cover.
@ex_colonial
Thank you, I always enjoyed your stories from your time with the NRP, I often feel it my experiences are similar in that we were part of a moment in time that we can never go back to. I picked ARRSE to relate my story because I felt that, aside from NYPD members, this audience would understand the most of what I was trying to get across, how it felt to be down there and what we were thinking (we never thought those Towers would fall). Now there is a lot more moments in time that I can relate.....not everyone did their job that day, but I will save the criticism and judgement and instead focus on the guys/gals who did. For instance, my friend Nummy (radio name) who happened to be asleep at his girlfriends house a block away at the time, awoken to the first plane hitting the Towers (yes her building was that close) he dressed, put his Shield (in the NYPD it is always a Shield, not a badge) around his neck on a chain and went down there in shorts and flip flops (he was out the night before and still a little under the weather. He helped evacuate countless numbers of people and had to dive under a firetruck when the South Tower fell. (between Nummy and the movie Die Hard, I always keep a pair of sneakers near my bed wherever I go!)
 

LD17

MIA
Incredible account. I watched a programme last night on The Two Towers, back in the 60’s when the idea was conceived the architect who was picked the building of them right through to the collapse, they were less than thirty years old.
Earlier in the week I watched four programmes, now been an ex Met cop I said said to my wife ”what must have it been like been on duty there? Well we have some idea now thanks to @LD17 .
The Met set up a charity where we could sign over an hours pay to go to The NYPD I can’t remember how much was raised, and reading this reminded me of it, did @LD17 hear of this and if so how it was used?
A lot of very brave people that day, both in and out of uniform.:salut:
@Gout Man

I forgot to mention, this man...out of uniform at the time....managed to single handedly save 2,000 plus people that day....

 

Gout Man

LE
Book Reviewer
@Gout Man

I forgot to mention, this man...out of uniform at the time....managed to single handedly save 2,000 plus people that day....

Thanks for posting that, what an interesting life. He featured in one of the 9/11 programmes but they didn't go into his background in such detail. A very brave man indeed.
 

LD17

MIA
Thanks to @dingerr ..

So both my old Unions sent out commemorative magazines. I have liberally taken some snaps so I could provide some visual context to the story....

P.O. Moira Smith, her gunbelt and shield backing were on display at the Police Museum until it closed due to Hurricane Sandy in 2013 (the current occupant of the Mayor's office, an arrogant & ignorant twit, refuses to re-open it)

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A representative picture of the amount of ash/dust we were covered in.

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Proff3RTR

War Hero
Thanks to @dingerr ..

So both my old Unions sent out commemorative magazines. I have liberally taken some snaps so I could provide some visual context to the story....

P.O. Moira Smith, her gunbelt and shield backing were on display at the Police Museum until it closed due to Hurricane Sandy in 2013 (the current occupant of the Mayor's office, an arrogant & ignorant twit, refuses to re-open it)

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A representative picture of the amount of ash/dust we were covered in.

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Thank you,

We all remember where we were that day (I was in Germany teaching a 30mm course) and we all know what we did following it. But to have someone recount the events of that day as they saw them through their own eyes is truly a great thing. Thank you for taking the time to put down your memories of that dreadful day.
 

LD17

MIA
Looking west toward Church Street
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After one of the Towers fell, again a representative pic in a deli (similar to the one I mentioned in which wewere able to get the parents & kids into when the North Tower fell)
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LD17

MIA
The red arrow pointing down is where we initially formed up before Mike and I went to the roof. The other red arrow is the roof we were on. This was the North Tower collapsing (the first one hit and the second to collapse)

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LD17

MIA
So a representative pic, again, to show the tight spaces some of us that were short in stature would crawl into if we thought someone was in there.
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Proff3RTR

War Hero
The red arrow pointing down is where we initially formed up before Mike and I went to the roof. The other red arrow is the roof we were on. This was the North Tower collapsing (the first one hit and the second to collapse)

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That’s a pretty powerful picture, brings home the true extent of the event.
 

LD17

MIA
Finally..... Mike (on the right) and I (on the left) after the first Tower fell and we got off the roof, heading South toward the Towers on Church Street
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Mike (left) and I (right) leaving Beekman Hospital after we had our eyes washed out. You can still see the liberated table-clothes around our necks

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