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#1
Who is the senior soldier in the British Army? Is it the AcSM, London Garrision SM, the Arty SM of the Snr Cdr at Land....

..there seems to be much myth and rumour about this....

Personally, i always thought it was the AcSM, but a RLC Ord type WO told me t'other day it was a Cdr...

does anybody ahve the official line?
 
#3
I think this has been done to death in Seniors section, and even then no one could give a definitive answer. But i think it is a Conductor.
 
#4
Goon,

You should know better!

QRs lays out soldier appt seniority quite clearly.

IIRC it is:

1) Cdr RLC
2) Top bloke in RA (cant remember the title).
3) AcSM RMAS
4) GSM LONDIST


'1)' is deffo, the rest may be slightly out of synch.

What is certain though is that the AcSM is the senior RSM in the Army. Cdr RLC is a pseudo offr appt who may opt to be a [non-voting] member of either the Sgts' Mess or Offrs' Mess (needless to say the former is always chosen).

Out
 

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#9
100% Conductor RLC

But my personal view is that the order of seniority was written when Conductors were the preserve of the RAOC and as a result the RLC have inherited the appointment. Some watering down was always going to happen.

Over the years DRLC (not all within it but some) have sought to devalue the appointment. Why? Well clearly a previous CRSM didn't like having 11 or so other WO1s in the RLC be senior to him. His ignorance extended to the extent that he considered any WO1 less those in RSM roles to be unworthy or have no value to commisioning!!! An intresting debate on employability of Ex-RSMs in itself!.

The previous director took an interest in ramping up the profile of the appointment and I am unsure on the current chaps stance but I imagine it will be to support and strengthen it. (Providing they are wearing a TRF!)

So hopefully this answers the post, I am sure that the RASM & Academy Boy just love the facts although I fear the Academy chap has more important issues to address like why soldiers arent bulling their boots, shaving, and starching their kit in Herrick!!!
 
#10
Well it has'nt harmed our trades Conductor now that he is soon to be commissioned.
 
#11
I see it this way.

There are 7 Non-Commissioned ranks in the Army and various appointments.

A WO1 is a WO1 regardless of his appointment and no higher than another WO1 apart from seniority (which is still minor in the grand scheme of things)

If for example a WO1 told the CRSM to feck off could the CRSM initiate AGAI proceedings? - No because they are the same rank.
 
#12
craftsmanx said:
I think the RA senior is The Master Gunner, but I'm sure a gunner somewhere will put me right.
It's the RASM, Royal Artillery Sergeant Major.
 
#13
Goto work, check the facts and report back, no point shouting its the RA one when a)youre wrong and b) youre wrong.

Ill try to do a bit of damage limitation for you, to bail yourself out you can say that the RASM is the senior RSM! But Conductor sits above them in seniority.

And the question was 'Whos the senior soldier"
 
#14
paragorge said:
Goto work, check the facts and report back, no point shouting its the RA one when a)youre wrong and b) youre wrong.

Ill try to do a bit of damage limitation for you, to bail yourself out you can say that the RASM is the senior RSM! But Conductor sits above them in seniority.

And the question was 'Whos the senior soldier"
I wasn't saying thet the RASM was the senior as I was always aware that a conductor RAOC, and his succesors in RLC, was the senior WO1 appointment, I was saying that I thought the senior RA WO1 was the master gunner and paragorge was saying it was the RASM. Read before you answer.
 
#16
More posts on conductors:

Conductors?
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=4817/highlight=conductor.html

Cond. taking posts as officers
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=51149.html

Aussie Cond.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=50719.html

Can a Cond. AGAI an RSM
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=40571.html

Conductor is the senior Non-Commisioned appointment in the British Army.
Then a Dropshot, after that a couple of Woodentops.

Maybe a more interesting question would be:

"What/who has the most senior Non Commisioned appointment of all three services?" I would guess the Navy by default, but its a funny old game. Perhaps it goes to The Royals Marines Corp RSM?

SK
 
#17
paragorge said:
100% Conductor RLC

But my personal view is that the order of seniority was written when Conductors were the preserve of the RAOC and as a result the RLC have inherited the appointment. Some watering down was always going to happen.

Over the years DRLC (not all within it but some) have sought to devalue the appointment. Why? Well clearly a previous CRSM didn't like having 11 or so other WO1s in the RLC be senior to him. His ignorance extended to the extent that he considered any WO1 less those in RSM roles to be unworthy or have no value to commisioning!!! An intresting debate on employability of Ex-RSMs in itself!.

The previous director took an interest in ramping up the profile of the appointment and I am unsure on the current chaps stance but I imagine it will be to support and strengthen it. (Providing they are wearing a TRF!)
So hopefully this answers the post, I am sure that the RASM & Academy Boy just love the facts although I fear the Academy chap has more important issues to address like why soldiers arent bulling their boots, shaving, and starching their kit in Herrick!!!
lol, love it.
 
#18
RLC Conductor is the most senior bloke in the army? Why does the fat bloke with the batton in the RLC band get to be senior to the RSM? :?

If conductor is the top soldier and if there are 11 conductors in the RLC, which one of them is the top man? We've gotta have an alpha male. :D
 
#19
Chibber said:
If conductor is the top soldier and if there are 11 conductors in the RLC, which one of them is the top man? We've gotta have an alpha male. :D
The one whos seniority date dictates usually.....Pen 1s
 
#20
So the top soldier in the army is the fat band bloke with the batton who joined the RLC band before the other fat blokes with battons. I'm glad we solved that one.

Dunno why there was so much debate in the senior forums, it all seems logical and easy to follow.
 

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