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Senior militant killed in Iraq by British Forces

#1
This is the type of news we want to hear from Iraq:

British forces have killed a senior al-Qaeda fugitive in a raid on a house in the southern Iraqi city of Basra, security sources say.
Officials named the dead man as Omar Farouq, a top lieutenant of Osama Bin Laden in south-east Asia.

Farouq was captured in Indonesia in 2002 but escaped from a US military prison in Afghanistan last year.

Security sources say he was hiding in Basra and was not known to be actively operating in the area.

Well done lads
 
#2
Are you saying we did not try to capture him, but shot the poor defenceless mass murderer out of hand? We should have asked him nicely to come out with his hands up so that he could have a trial so he could blame us for all the killing he has committed.

Good job lads, hope he had a long time to review his grotty life before the end.

edited for key rash
 
#3
offog said:
Are you saying we did not try to capture him, but shot the poor defenceless mass murderer out of hand? We should have asked him nicely to come out with his hands up so that he could have a trial so he could blame us for all the killing he has committed.

Good job lads, hope he had a long time to review his grotty like before the end.
These are the words of the BBC, not me!!!
 
#4
Good news....and although whilst it's not worth breaking open a bottle of Veuve over....I may just have to have a celebratory Double Whopper for lunch :)
 
#6
Let's analyse this information.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5378410.stm

Officials named the dead man as Omar Farouq, a top lieutenant of Osama Bin Laden in south-east Asia.
Such a prominent terrorist should be surrounded by followers, by at least body guards. But...

...about 200 troops surrounded the house, from where they came under fire.

A gun battle erupted and Farouq was killed in the exchange.

Maj Burbridge said there was apparently nobody else in the building and there were no further casualties.
Alone in the house? It looks like he was not "a top lieutenant of Osama Bin Laden" but rather unwanted wittness.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060925...tJm.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

He was one of four men who escaped from the high-security U.S. detainee center at Bagram air base north of the Afghan capital, Kabul, in June last year.

Washington did not reveal that he had escaped until six months later, when defense lawyers demanded he be produced as a witness at the trial of an army sergeant accused of abusing prisoners in Bagram. U.S. officials were then forced to reveal that he could not testify because he had escaped.
I propose my version. Likely Omar Farouq was alive then the lawyers demanded his presence on the trial. So the story with his myrical escape was invented to save some arrses. Now the dead body has been planed in the house in Basra where it has been 'discovered' after a 'gun battle'.
 
#7
He's dead.

Result.
 
#10
PartTimePongo said:
He's dead.

Result.
About zero. Apparently the man was not involved into the insurgency. So his death would not stop plantings of IEDs and mortar attacks.
 
#12
I appreciate what you're saying Sergey.

But to my mind, the only good brainwashed hardcore terrorist fanatic is a dead one.

If we had a chance of turning him , he wouldn't have gone E+E out of Bagram. Though I am puzzled as to why he went to Iraq, as oppsed to hiding elsewhere , unless it was to co-ordinate more terrorist activity.

If he wanted to give himself up , he'd have presented himself at the main gate.
 
#13
Mad_Moriarty said:
KGB_resident said:
PartTimePongo said:
He's dead.

Result.
About zero. Apparently the man was not involved into the insurgency. So his death would not stop plantings of IEDs and mortar attacks.
Ahh but the only good al-Qaeda member is a dead one!
No one tear in my eyes caused by his death. However, from strategic point of view significance of the death is about zero. Apparently tha man was not an active field commander, acting organiser of terror acts or/and military operations.

It is not clear for me was he indeed a member of al-Qaeda. It is possible that not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_al-Faruq

...some observers have suggested that Al-Faruq was a CIA mole.
 
#14
KGB_resident said:
Let's analyse this information.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5378410.stm

Officials named the dead man as Omar Farouq, a top lieutenant of Osama Bin Laden in south-east Asia.
Such a prominent terrorist should be surrounded by followers, by at least body guards. But...

...about 200 troops surrounded the house, from where they came under fire.

A gun battle erupted and Farouq was killed in the exchange.

Maj Burbridge said there was apparently nobody else in the building and there were no further casualties.
Alone in the house? It looks like he was not "a top lieutenant of Osama Bin Laden" but rather unwanted wittness.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060925...tJm.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

He was one of four men who escaped from the high-security U.S. detainee center at Bagram air base north of the Afghan capital, Kabul, in June last year.

Washington did not reveal that he had escaped until six months later, when defense lawyers demanded he be produced as a witness at the trial of an army sergeant accused of abusing prisoners in Bagram. U.S. officials were then forced to reveal that he could not testify because he had escaped.
I propose my version. Likely Omar Farouq was alive then the lawyers demanded his presence on the trial. So the story with his myrical escape was invented to save some arrses. Now the dead body has been planed in the house in Basra where it has been 'discovered' after a 'gun battle'.
Sergy, as one who normally share your views....please bear in mind the following facts.

He was a Wanted Man.
He was orginally from Iraq.

Therefore, one could rationally argue that he might want to head home to lie low and avoid capture. Iraq is a good place to hide, limited central government, family ties, abundance of wpns for self protection....sadly it also has a lot spies :wink:.

One question three parts:
On escaping from Baghram who did he avoid capture in AFG :?
Which route did he use to get to Iraq? (via Pakistan and/or Iran)
On entering IZ why did the IZ border gaurds fail to detain him. :wink:

Flippant questions I know............. but in all seriousness, nailing this guy in IZ suggests that most of Centcom is a permissive environment for AQ to operate within. Until the countries in Centcom become significantly less permissive we are not going to get out of IZ or AFG.
 
#15
Jailorinummqasr said:
KGB_resident said:
Let's analyse this information.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5378410.stm

Officials named the dead man as Omar Farouq, a top lieutenant of Osama Bin Laden in south-east Asia.
Such a prominent terrorist should be surrounded by followers, by at least body guards. But...

...about 200 troops surrounded the house, from where they came under fire.

A gun battle erupted and Farouq was killed in the exchange.

Maj Burbridge said there was apparently nobody else in the building and there were no further casualties.
Alone in the house? It looks like he was not "a top lieutenant of Osama Bin Laden" but rather unwanted wittness.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060925...tJm.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

He was one of four men who escaped from the high-security U.S. detainee center at Bagram air base north of the Afghan capital, Kabul, in June last year.

Washington did not reveal that he had escaped until six months later, when defense lawyers demanded he be produced as a witness at the trial of an army sergeant accused of abusing prisoners in Bagram. U.S. officials were then forced to reveal that he could not testify because he had escaped.
I propose my version. Likely Omar Farouq was alive then the lawyers demanded his presence on the trial. So the story with his myrical escape was invented to save some arrses. Now the dead body has been planed in the house in Basra where it has been 'discovered' after a 'gun battle'.
Sergy, as one who normally share your views....please bear in mind the following facts.

He was a Wanted Man.
He was orginally from Iraq.
Wanted?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/omar_al_faruq_recruited_by_the_cia.htm

Former State Intelligence Coordinating Board (BAKIN) chief A.C. Manulang has said that Kuwaiti citizen Omar Al-Faruq, a terrorist suspect who was arrested in Bogor, West Java, on June 5, 2002 and handed over to the US three days later, is a CIA-recruited agent.
Jailorinummqasr said:
Therefore, one could rationally argue that he might want to head home to lie low and avoid capture. Iraq is a good place to hide, limited central government, family ties, abundance of wpns for self protection....sadly it also has a lot spies :wink:.

One question three parts:
On escaping from Baghram who did he avoid capture in AFG :?
Which route did he use to get to Iraq? (via Pakistan and/or Iran)
On entering IZ why did the IZ border gaurds fail to detain him. :wink:

Flippant questions I know............. but in all seriousness, nailing this guy in IZ suggests that most of Centcom is a permissive environment for AQ to operate within. Until the countries in Centcom become significantly less permissive we are not going to get out of IZ or AFG.
I agree, there are too many questions. So the story is more complex than it looks from the first glance.

Edited to add this quote

http://www.americanfreepress.net/01_02_04/CIA_Recruits/cia_recruits.html

...al Faruq was arrested and handed over to British and American interrogators, he strenuously denied that he had been al Qaeda’s point man in Southeast Asia. For three months, he resisted all efforts to break his will. But, just as Zubaydah had collapsed under the strain of sleep deprivation, hooding, harassment and “white noise”, al Faruq offered to “cooperate.”
 
#16
I don't recall Sergey being quite so cynical when Chechen terrorist leader Basayev was killed, according to Sergey himself possibly with CIA help.
 
#17
But while I was in the pub,Sky News reported a Squaddie had been injured in the raid.
So,if true;
Get well soon lad & thanks!!
Spike
 
#18
KGB_resident said:
PartTimePongo said:
He's dead.

Result.
About zero. Apparently the man was not involved into the insurgency. So his death would not stop plantings of IEDs and mortar attacks.
Helps the heart and minds battle though, even only to prove we may not always get the right man, but still killed him anyway.

Should rattle the local insurgents a bit
 
#19
The boys at counterterrorismblog.org are very pleased:
Sounds like they had lots of help from inside and possibly outside Iraq, perhaps from a variety of intel sources.
Now he could have been on his way to see his granny in Kuwait but what's a senior AQ bod doing in Basra? Not exactly friendly territory. He's lucky those nice Qods Force chaps didn't boil him.

The Indonesians were claiming Omar was paid by Langley. Managed to wander out of Bagram as well a year ago. I know AQ have terrible security but this smells a little fishy to me.
 
#20
AndyPipkin said:
I don't recall Sergey being quite so cynical when Chechen terrorist leader Basayev was killed, according to Sergey himself possibly with CIA help.
Oh, I'm cynical, maybe showed it in that case (with Basayev) not so openly.

Btw, if we compare Shamil Basayev with the killed man then it would be a comparison of a hardcore criminal with a hooligan. What has mr.Faruq done exactly? It appears that nothing serious.
 

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