Self Harm on Medical?

#1
Hey guys first post. No doubt this issue has been raised before but I couldn't find anything so here goes.

Until 2005 (When I was 17) I was going through a difficult time in life and had a time of strong depression. I was admitted to hospital once for it too. The thing is, I've recovered from it a while ago and I'm more mentally robust than a lot of people and I feel I have a lot to offer. I know this will slow the recruitment process but will it ruin things all together. Since then my medical history has been very clean and I've grown up. Honestly, what should I say at interview if neccisary?

Thanks in advance.
 
#2
Um im not 100% sure on this but I think if you have a record of Self-Harm then your not going to get in, as the last thing the Army wants is someone who is depressed and willing to hurt themselfs (and others) having a loaded gun.

On the other hand im sure if you tried hard enough to prove that your over it i.e with letters from a GP maybe.

Anyway Good Luck mate theres never any harm in trying.
 
#3
If it was a one off with no reoccurence then you're in with a shout but be aware what you may be letting yourself in for.

You MUST declare in on yout med questionaire but as I've said depending on circumstance depends on the outcome.

You WILL be binned if you lie.
 
#4
Difficult Childhood Predicts Later Psychological Problems in UK Military Men”, is a study carried out and released last November.

Or it is this B government looking for MORE sh1te excuses not to do anything to help those in need?
 
#5
Well I followed it up with info from this forum and by talking to a CA. As long as the GP says that there's not been any problems then it's a clear. I've not been to the GP for any problems for over 3 years so I'm hoping for the best.

I'll post what happens in a few months time for the outcome for other people that want an answer.
 
#6
I am sad to say that whoever told you that was talking utter ARRSE :D

Your RG8 it will get raised as "More information required" and will then wing its way back to the GP, the GP can say what he likes but unless he is a Psychiatrist then he will only be offering an opinion, the SMO at ADSC will likely pass it over to an Army Psychiatrist and may well actually refer you to a specialist appointment, he may actually defer you or even reject you.

But just because your GP says you are fine doesnt mean the Army will accept you, nor does being 3 years without any problems mean that your are more mentally robust than anyone else now, it just means you are symptom free and have dealt with the issues you had ;)

Best of luck, i have seen people get in, but i have also seen people rejected for taking a few aspirins as a school yard prank ;)
 
#7
Hi,

I have just received a letter in reference to the medical questionnaire saying that I am not eligible for military service. The reason given is '2 episodes of deliberate self harm (overdoses)'. I was quite taken aback by that, and upon liaising with the ADSC have found that it relates to 2 incidents in 1993 when I was 15. Queried with my mother of whether I overdosed twice in that year as I don't recall doing so, and even she can't. Therefore I have an appointment with my doctor to find out where it has come from. Also to complain as to why I have something on my medical records that I never did? Unless the doctor made a mistake on the questionnaire, I am not sure. I did have depression at 15, but never been to see a doctor or go to the hospital for an overdose, so it makes no sense to me. So, just be aware that this has occurred as a result of something 'possibly' on my records in 1993 (unless myself and my parents have selective memory loss for that year).

Ok, sorry if it wasn't what you wanted to hear, but it does appear to me to pose difficulties. However, on the plus side, I can go to the doctor's get a letter from them and send it in with my own opinions and get reconsidered. Until I go to the doctor on Monday and find out what '1993 2 overdoses' means, since apparently that is all the doctor put on the form, I don't know whether I will do this.

Stick
 
#8
stick said:
Hi,

I have just received a letter in reference to the medical questionnaire saying that I am not eligible for military service. The reason given is '2 episodes of deliberate self harm (overdoses)'. I was quite taken aback by that, and upon liaising with the ADSC have found that it relates to 2 incidents in 1993 when I was 15. Queried with my mother of whether I overdosed twice in that year as I don't recall doing so, and even she can't. Therefore I have an appointment with my doctor to find out where it has come from. Also to complain as to why I have something on my medical records that I never did? Unless the doctor made a mistake on the questionnaire, I am not sure. I did have depression at 15, but never been to see a doctor or go to the hospital for an overdose, so it makes no sense to me. So, just be aware that this has occurred as a result of something 'possibly' on my records in 1993 (unless myself and my parents have selective memory loss for that year).

Ok, sorry if it wasn't what you wanted to hear, but it does appear to me to pose difficulties. However, on the plus side, I can go to the doctor's get a letter from them and send it in with my own opinions and get reconsidered. Until I go to the doctor on Monday and find out what '1993 2 overdoses' means, since apparently that is all the doctor put on the form, I don't know whether I will do this.

Stick
I had to get my jab dates from the doctors for the army, when I did my records said I had had the BCG jab twice in the same year which I know is bull!
 
#9
slimjim said:
stick said:
Hi,

I have just received a letter in reference to the medical questionnaire saying that I am not eligible for military service. The reason given is '2 episodes of deliberate self harm (overdoses)'. I was quite taken aback by that, and upon liaising with the ADSC have found that it relates to 2 incidents in 1993 when I was 15. Queried with my mother of whether I overdosed twice in that year as I don't recall doing so, and even she can't. Therefore I have an appointment with my doctor to find out where it has come from. Also to complain as to why I have something on my medical records that I never did? Unless the doctor made a mistake on the questionnaire, I am not sure. I did have depression at 15, but never been to see a doctor or go to the hospital for an overdose, so it makes no sense to me. So, just be aware that this has occurred as a result of something 'possibly' on my records in 1993 (unless myself and my parents have selective memory loss for that year).

Ok, sorry if it wasn't what you wanted to hear, but it does appear to me to pose difficulties. However, on the plus side, I can go to the doctor's get a letter from them and send it in with my own opinions and get reconsidered. Until I go to the doctor on Monday and find out what '1993 2 overdoses' means, since apparently that is all the doctor put on the form, I don't know whether I will do this.

Stick
I had to get my jab dates from the doctors for the army, when I did my records said I had had the BCG jab twice in the same year which I know is bull!
Thanks, for the reassurance that our medical records are in good hands :)
 
#10
Have you got any photos of you self harming?

I've got a semi-on and need to finish myself off.
 
#11
No probs :lol:

The records said I had one jab one week and a repeat the next, I'm 100% sure this didn't happen as I had the jab around 2001 and I had to go to a clinic not my Gp
 
#12
Just say it was a bad case of abuse (Self abuse). All you'll then have to do is prove the penile functionality, so in the attendence and perhaps with the assistance of the practice nurse you should be able to sustain a boner just long enough to reach samplable jism.
 
#13
StabTiffy2B said:
Have you got any photos of you self harming?

I've got a semi-on and need to finish myself off.
I am sure I can find some drunken photos lurking about? Does that count as self-harming? I thought that was an entry requirement :p
 
#14
Date dictated 26th March 2008
Date typed 26th March 2008

Dear Mr Stone

I regret to inform you that as a result of your medical history, on the evidence available to us, you do not meet the current Army entry medical standards and therefore you are not eligible for military service.

The reason for the rejection of your application on medical grounds is due to your history of depression and emotional instability, taking several overdoses and episodes of deliberate self harm, requiring assessment and admission to the Mental Health Partnership NHS Trust in 2004.

Unfortunatly, such a history is incompatible with enlistment as our experience has shown that individuals with such histories do not fare well when faced with the demands and stresses of service life and often go on to develop further problems which we would not wish to expose you to.

The Armed Forces require that all new entrants must be fit to serve anywhere in the world for the duration of their service (Up to 22 years for soldiers and potentially up to 35 years for officers), in all environments and in locations where medical care may be limited or remote and medical re-supply uncertain or impossible. Many conditions, and especially those controlled by medication or other intervention, which may not limit civilian emplyment are, therefore, incompatible with military service. The standards of medical selection also take into account the consequences of developing a further medical problem, (e.g. recurrence, complication and/or requirement for medical intervention/medication), related to the medical condition. Not only is the health of the individual considered, but also their ability to continue to work in a dangerous environment without imposing potential risk to colleagues' health.

The Armed Forces are expected to meet the requirements of a responsible employer under the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 during times of military training and peace-keeping operations and therefore they cannot accept any form of waiver.

I understand that this is a disappointment for you and I am sorry that your application has been unsuccessful.

You do not have an automatic right to appeal against this decision which has been made on the information provided, and in accordance with our entry guidelines.

However, if you believe that this information is inaccurate or inadequate and if you can provide further details to prove that you do not have the condition referred to above (Such as copy of medical records. or other information confirmed by an appropriate person e.g. your General Practitioner), we will be prepared to review your case.

We are not able to respond to letters which do not contain any new information.

I wish you well for your future.


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Ok so that's pretty much a straight up rejection, if I didn't have an awesome back up plan I would fight my case.

Instead I'm going to apply again after having traveled Europe backpacking.

I'm also going to mention my 8.35 minute 1.5 mile run and all the other stuff that I'm quite proud of physically.

I know for a fact that I wouldn't take army life badly because it's the type of person I am and how I learn. So yea, next year or whatever I'll try again, and probs fail, but try anyway :p

Just thought curious people could do with my results.
 
#15
skywalker3012 said:
Date dictated 26th March 2008
Date typed 26th March 2008

Dear Mr Stone

I regret to inform you that as a result of your medical history, on the evidence available to us, you do not meet the current Army entry medical standards and therefore you are not eligible for military service.

The reason for the rejection of your application on medical grounds is due to your history of depression and emotional instability, taking several overdoses and episodes of deliberate self harm, requiring assessment and admission to the Mental Health Partnership NHS Trust in 2004.

Unfortunatly, such a history is incompatible with enlistment as our experience has shown that individuals with such histories do not fare well when faced with the demands and stresses of service life and often go on to develop further problems which we would not wish to expose you to.

The Armed Forces require that all new entrants must be fit to serve anywhere in the world for the duration of their service (Up to 22 years for soldiers and potentially up to 35 years for officers), in all environments and in locations where medical care may be limited or remote and medical re-supply uncertain or impossible. Many conditions, and especially those controlled by medication or other intervention, which may not limit civilian emplyment are, therefore, incompatible with military service. The standards of medical selection also take into account the consequences of developing a further medical problem, (e.g. recurrence, complication and/or requirement for medical intervention/medication), related to the medical condition. Not only is the health of the individual considered, but also their ability to continue to work in a dangerous environment without imposing potential risk to colleagues' health.

The Armed Forces are expected to meet the requirements of a responsible employer under the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 during times of military training and peace-keeping operations and therefore they cannot accept any form of waiver.

I understand that this is a disappointment for you and I am sorry that your application has been unsuccessful.

You do not have an automatic right to appeal against this decision which has been made on the information provided, and in accordance with our entry guidelines.

However, if you believe that this information is inaccurate or inadequate and if you can provide further details to prove that you do not have the condition referred to above (Such as copy of medical records. or other information confirmed by an appropriate person e.g. your General Practitioner), we will be prepared to review your case.

We are not able to respond to letters which do not contain any new information.

I wish you well for your future.


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Ok so that's pretty much a straight up rejection, if I didn't have an awesome back up plan I would fight my case.

Instead I'm going to apply again after having traveled Europe backpacking.

I'm also going to mention my 8.35 minute 1.5 mile run and all the other stuff that I'm quite proud of physically.

I know for a fact that I wouldn't take army life badly because it's the type of person I am and how I learn. So yea, next year or whatever I'll try again, and probs fail, but try anyway :p

Just thought curious people could do with my results.
My bold/underlining.

Applying again would be completely useless. They won't accept you. They have said as much in the letter to you. In fact your application probably won't get any further than the AFCO when they see you have applied and been rejected before. Why put yourself through the heartache and disappointment?

Why not try the other services? Such as the navy or air force. Their entry requirements might be a bit more forgiving.
 
#16
Wow, This is harsh.

When I was at school the big thing was to go to the doctors and claim depression and get your anti depresants! Most I would say where far from depressed and mearly a little unhappy with the pressures of growing up. What they failed to realise is that this information stays on your records and with most companies now asking you to have medicals these people are finding it difficult to get employment. The whole wanting a couple of weeks off work so getting signed off with "stress" was a big one a little while back as well and again those people are now wishing they hadn't.

I feel sorry for those that have not got in due to depression issues. If you have delt with it and you can show that you no longer have an issue then I woul say they should take people on individual merit and not by what the read.

Oh well good luck to those that didn't get in this time. Try the TA, I know it's not the same but you get to argue your case more with them.
 
#17
Unlucky dude!

Enjoy your back packing...

What about the fire service or the police?
 
#18
ViperRLC said:
Try the TA, I know it's not the same but you get to argue your case more with them.
The TA won't take you either as you need to get a regular army doctor to check you out and that's not possible if you're not a reg.
 
#20
Hey guys, thanks for the supportive comments. :)

I hear that the Navy is possibly easier to get into, the Air Force however I believe it more difficult. Though this is just hearsay, maybe somebody could shed light on this.

I was hoping that maybe a second application would be looked at on the same light as the first, but thinking about it, that's probably silly.

I had also heard TA was more forgiving but again that's hearsay and one of the reasons for my wanting to join the regs was the fact I could save up lots.

I was also thinking of joining the Fire Service, mind you they want a person to already have driven so I'll wait till I can drive first :p

The strange thing is, if I hadn't gone through the stuff that I have been through in the past, I wouldn't have learned from all the experiences, and the army may have accepted me (When I say learned, I don't mean shut off or whatever, I'm pretty philosophical, I don't give up until I can find what I feel to be the right answer). Then while I'm still vulnerable through lack of life experience, something happens. The thing that would make me perfect for the army, gets me binned.

I will enjoy my backpacking. Going for about a year with an incredibly attractive and compatible female :) Hehe.
 

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