Self Defense shotguns, which way to go?

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Thought I would ask you wonderful folks about the dark arts of self defense shotguns and what your preferences are. This is the one glaring weakness in my Redneck arsenal and something I need to address in the future. I like both pump and semi auto shotguns and am having a hard time trying to figure out which route I want to go.

The pump's are much easier to use an escalation loadout with, and cycle through shells if one wishes to do so. Compared to the Semi's which are a bit more of a pita to eject an unfired shell.
Granted a decent Semi Auto is pretty fecking idiot proof if you are willing to spend the $$ to acquire one. I would prefer something a bit more high end and reliable and not go down the cheap route. I like Benelli especially the M4 series and the M2 would be a contender as well, but I also like the Wilson Combat 870's which would do the job if one can be found.

Not worried about weight or recoil in the slightest so that is not a factor. Any of you experienced folks have any recommendations?
 
I don’t understand why a semi auto is any more of a pita to eject a cartridge than a pump action. I’ve used a Browning semi auto 5 (sawn off butt and barrel - legally) it’s simply a case of cocking it, which is very little difference (action wise) to pumping a shotgun.
 
Thought I would ask you wonderful folks about the dark arts of self defense shotguns and what your preferences are. This is the one glaring weakness in my Redneck arsenal and something I need to address in the future. I like both pump and semi auto shotguns and am having a hard time trying to figure out which route I want to go.

The pump's are much easier to use an escalation loadout with, and cycle through shells if one wishes to do so. Compared to the Semi's which are a bit more of a pita to eject an unfired shell.
Granted a decent Semi Auto is pretty fecking idiot proof if you are willing to spend the $$ to acquire one. I would prefer something a bit more high end and reliable and not go down the cheap route. I like Benelli especially the M4 series and the M2 would be a contender as well, but I also like the Wilson Combat 870's which would do the job if one can be found.

Not worried about weight or recoil in the slightest so that is not a factor. Any of you experienced folks have any recommendations?
Not that we have ‘self defence shotguns’ but I’d have thought ‘pump’ straight away due to reliability and the effect the noise of ‘racking’ has.

Something 18” barrelled or so with at least a five (+1 in breech) or more round magazine. Pistol grip, with a folding stock. Not too obvious if hanging down by your side, like a Franchi SPAS 12 (or 15) would be. Easily fit in your pick up, can be carried and fired one handed and racked easily enough.

I prefer Mossburg personally but Benelli (M4 very reliable s/auto) and Remington are very good as well. Same with Winchester etc.

It also depends on what ‘bells and whistles’ you want on it. Broad as it’s long, six of one, half a dozen of another.
 
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I don’t understand why a semi auto is any more of a pita to eject a cartridge than a pump action. I’ve used a Browning semi auto 5 (sawn off butt and barrel - legally) it’s simply a case of cocking it, which is very little difference (action wise) to pumping a shotgun.
My pump actions for hunting are very easy to cycle shells through that are not fired, whilst the Semi's take a bit more time to do so. Something one is not going to have when defending hearth and home vs killing birds.
 
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Not that we have ‘self defence shotguns’ but I’d have thought ‘pump’ straight away due to reliability and the effect the noise of ‘racking’ has.

Something 18” barrelled or so with at least a five (+1 in breech) or more round magazine. Pistol grip, with a folding stock. Not too obvious if hanging down by your side, like a Franchi SPAS 12 (or 15) would be. Easily fit in your pick up, can be carried and fired one handed and racked easily enough.

I prefer Mossburg personally but Benelli (M4 very reliable s/auto) and Remington are very good as well. Same with Winchester etc.

It also depends on what ‘bells and whistles’ you want on it. Broad as it’s long, six of one, half a dozen of another.
The pistol grip would be nice, the only thing I could think about adding down the road would be a red dot and a decent tac light.
 
I have racked a pump action, a very cheap Browning that was the property of a manager of a big gun factory.
It was almost silent until you loosed a round through it.
He called it his armaggedon gun and said everyone should have one.
 
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The pistol grip would be nice, the only thing I could think about adding down the road would be a red dot and a decent tac light.
Can’t go wrong with a Mossburg 500, or maybe a 590. A bit heavier than some. Reliable. Lots of bells and whistles to add as you get a bit more money. However, like most firearms, personal preference is always going to ‘trump’ everything else.

If a friend has one, try it as a ‘loaner’ and see what you think.
 
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I have racked a pump action that was the property of a manager of a big gun factory.
It was almost silent.
He called it his armaggedon gun and said everyone should have one.
Not worried about the sound any pump action would make, it would be drowned out by the hounds going bat shit crazy. I never planned on living in the city proper but our new home is going to be right on the border between county and city and in a regular neighborhood....the wife shocked the hell out of me because we planned on moving further out, not into the heart of darkness.... I never needed a decent home defense shotgun until this point in time. I am trading my dirt roads for suburbia.
 
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Can’t go wrong with a Mossburg 500, or maybe a 590. A bit heavier than some. Reliable. Lots of bells and whistles to add as you get a bit more money. However, like most firearms, personal preference is always going to ‘trump’ everything else.

If a friend has one, try it as a ‘loaner’ and see what you think.
The new Mossberg 500's and 870's feel rather cheap these days. Like QC has gone out the fecking window. I wouldn't trust the life of my useless neighbor's cat with one of those puppies. I like Benelli because my Legacy 20 gauge is a stout bird killing machine and my brother has had great luck with them as well. But nobody really has the self defense shotgun to borrow, it is all handguns and carbines of some sort mostly.
 
Thought I would ask you wonderful folks about the dark arts of self defense shotguns and what your preferences are. This is the one glaring weakness in my Redneck arsenal and something I need to address in the future. I like both pump and semi auto shotguns and am having a hard time trying to figure out which route I want to go.

The pump's are much easier to use an escalation loadout with, and cycle through shells if one wishes to do so. Compared to the Semi's which are a bit more of a pita to eject an unfired shell.
Granted a decent Semi Auto is pretty fecking idiot proof if you are willing to spend the $$ to acquire one. I would prefer something a bit more high end and reliable and not go down the cheap route. I like Benelli especially the M4 series and the M2 would be a contender as well, but I also like the Wilson Combat 870's which would do the job if one can be found.

Not worried about weight or recoil in the slightest so that is not a factor. Any of you experienced folks have any recommendations?
I'd recommend you move somewhere where you don't need shotguns to encourage politeness.
 
I have racked a pump action that was the property of a manager of a big gun factory.
It was almost silent.
He called it his armaggedon gun and said everyone should have one.
Talking about the good one's here and not the $150 knock off's: The more you use one the smoother and ultimately quieter it will become.

Long time ago I read an article comparing the craft of a top Mossberg fettler to that of a Remington fettler. For the life of me I cannot remember who they are. However, I do remember a couple of their fettling tricks. One of them said that to smooth the action on a customers gun the apprentice had to sit in the corner and cycle the action 500 times as a starting point before some gentle polishing with stone's.
 
My pump actions for hunting are very easy to cycle shells through that are not fired, whilst the Semi's take a bit more time to do so. Something one is not going to have when defending hearth and home vs killing birds.
Shotgun carts are extremely reliable, unless you buy cheap and nasty. A semi will give you a faster rate of fire and I doubt cocking the working parts v pumping an action is really noticeable if your weapon handling is up to snuff on either type of weapon.

If you’re looking at the Benelli M4 remember as a stinking civvy you’ll only have 6 carts (mil version is 8).
 

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Greener police shotgun and a pith helmet all the way.

Can also be used as a club if you run out of ammo.
 
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Shotgun carts are extremely reliable, unless you buy cheap and nasty. A semi will give you a faster rate of fire and I doubt cocking the working parts v pumping an action is really noticeable if your weapon handling is up to snuff on either type of weapon.

If you’re looking at the Benelli M4 remember as a stinking civvy you’ll only have 6 carts (mil version is 8).
Yup only 5+1 for imports here these days...Which sucks for us civvy pondscum types. If I am going to pay damn near 2K I want at least 7 in the tube. Would def require quite a bit of range time to get comfortable with it, but it does look pretty ace.
 

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Talking about the good one's here and not the $150 knock off's: The more you use one the smoother and ultimately quieter it will become.

Long time ago I read an article comparing the craft of a top Mossberg fettler to that of a Remington fettler. For the life of me I cannot remember who they are. However, I do remember a couple of their fettling tricks. One of them said that to smooth the action on a customers gun the apprentice had to sit in the corner and cycle the action 500 times as a starting point before some gentle polishing with stone's.
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Greener police shotgun and a pith helmet all the way.

Can also be used as a club if you run out of ammo.
If I can't do it with 5 then I am up shit creek or in the Zombie apoc in which case dreams do come true!
 
870 Remy will cycle almost anything , semi auto`s can be picky so not what you want if things go tits up, in addition semi auto are not good for the inexperienced .
 

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