Segregated Messes in the ACF

Discussion in 'ACF' started by nastyberganchafe, Jan 26, 2007.

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  1. Having come into the ACF 18 months ago as an adult I'm findng it difficult to appreciate the need for segregated messes between 'Sergeant' and 'Officer' type youth workers.
    Given the need to communicate effectively about the business of youth work this barrier would seem to be an unnessary obstacle.
    Mimicking the actual army a bit too far.
    If any one can give a valid reason for this I'd like to know.
     
  2. Tend to agree with you. Depends whether you regard yourselves as "youth workers" or members of the Armed Forces. If the former then segregation is probably unnecessary - if the latter then get used to it.
     
  3. I should probably add I've no problem playing along, and uphold the military side as the reason I'm there and the kids are there, after all its why we're in the ACF rather than the scouts.
     
  4. No problems there. As long as you know which side of the fence you are on. Basically you guys do a good job - a public service even. What is guaranteed to get up our nose is an ACF instructor who somehow imagines he equates to his Regular counterpart.
     
  5. 100% on that one mate and cheers for the nice thought. As an ex-TA bod I can say its never entered my head I'm anything other than a youth worker in an army sponsored organisation. Your soldiers, we're not, big difference.
     
  6. between adults it informal within ACF and between Army bods, however in FRONT of Cadets , we play the game saluting, Addressing by ranks, followed by Sir/ma'am as appropriate.

    as to relations with the Army common courtesy goes a long way and believe you me some of the Army bods would love to show Cadets what they do and brings the big toys along if they can, for a little show and tell.
     
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  8. NBC,

    Although I am rapidly losing my few remaining memory cells I seem to recall that in the 80's, certainly amongst Avon and Glos ACF HQ and dets, that messes were mixed in normal locations. Whilst on annual camp they definitely were. Worked very well and didn't undermine normal military courtesies and practice.

    PAW
     
  9. In YACF, messes are mixed on weekend camps, it's only on annual camp that there are seperate messes.

    I guess the main reason for this (aside from military niceties) is that camps are built for a regular army set up and neither building that is designated a 'mess' would be big enough to hold all of us.

    I do find that seperate messes do get in the way of communication though.
     
  10. I AM A REG WHO WORKS WITH ACF..IT PPISSES ME OFF THAT THEY HAVE SEPERATE MESSES.......WHY?

    a) THEY ARE A YOUTH ORGANISIATION

    b) WOULD BE NICE TO SOCIALISE WITH THE PEOPLE I DEAL WITH FOR MANY MONTHS, ON THE BUILD UP TO THERE ANNUAL CAMPS

    c)...................................
     
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  12. My ACF has a combined mess, I agree with Semper. Formal in front of kids ranks etc. informal in the mess, however some do think its real soldiers and want to play mess rules. We are a voluntary organisation and shouldn't take things to seriously. Thats my view anyway
     
  13. Thoroughly agree with you HPF, one year I was the only officer in charge of a cadre the others, were SSI/SMI`s, how annoying that I had to have my training / testing debriefings either in the Coy office, which then made it formal because HQ staff were about, or elsewhere, combined messes would work if a level playing field was set, and would certainly make C3I easier.
     
  14. In Hants and IOW it is what does appear to be the norm. Combined mess for company/training weekends with seperate messes when on annual, although the officers are invited to the WO's and Sgt's mess on one of the evenings for socialising.