Security Jobs in Iraq

Discussion in 'Police, PMCs, Security' started by Bondi-Babe-Magnet, Dec 12, 2005.

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  1. One of my friends is toying with the idea of working for a security company in Iraq. Before he decides to get his balls shot off a few questions.

    Who/ what UK companies are the best to work for ?
    What's the money like ?

    How long are the contracts for ?

    Any general advice ?

  2. go join a SF unit like the booties or SAS, and they will contact you.
    failing that keep on buying the combat and survival and soldier of fortune comix.
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  3. General advice: they pay bloody good money but there's a bloody good reason.

    The best known British company is called Aegis Security, run I think, by Col Tim Spicer formerly of Sandline.
  4. I have seen the casualty statistics for the Security companies in Iraq which makes for grim reading - i think about 13 Brits dead on top of shed loads of foreigners. I did point this out to him, having two kids to worry about.
  5. If your friend has ambitions of working in the 'security industry' as anything other than as a hired gunman, he should do a little studying and look towards gaining a few qualifications; it's a highly competitive industry and the standards are getting higher all the time (and it isn't alone, by a long chalk!). Force protection 'specialists' are thick on the ground now; I should know, I've got a postgrad qual in it. My junior security manager has a couple of unrelated degrees and an advanced business degree, and he's under 30. Naturally, he's Indian. Being good at slotting fuzzywuzzies might be a short-term high-return option but in a few years' time your friend'll be either dead or on the dole if he can't advance himself beyond that solitary skill. The Iraq theatre is, in any business scenario, a short-term one with a lot of liability attached.

    Incidentally, anyone who intends to work for Spicer should talk to any of the officers, NCOs or soldiers of the Scots Guards who were under his command when he was CO of his battalion in Belfast. Or me. Use PM.
  6. mate at work ex 21 , spent most of his time on a laptop in an office within the green zone mortared a bit but no major dramas ..point being i suppose it depends what your mate wants to do out there ..CP work , training, risk anyalsis etc etc
  7. chimera

    chimera LE Moderator

    Be wary of a company that provides you with your own orange boiler suit with a company logo - so you look the part when having your head sawn off on Al Jazeera and they get some free advertising........
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  8. The criteria is usually something like this.

    Over 25

    Have been in a while and have a few decent tours, Iraq, Afghan, under your belt, Not just NI.

    have done a decent BG course ( Ronin SA Soz for the shameless plug) I hear Phoenix run a good course geared towards PSD work.

    Even with all that its still a ball buster to get your foot in the door with a good company that will not screw you (Money/Graft)

    Have fun
  9. Fly - good plug for Phoenix - very good bunch, run by an absolute legend (in every sense of the word) and extremely professional.

    Good work fella! :D
  10. Unless your mate has some good contacts and can get himself considered for a good team then he has to tread very carefully. A lot of guys rock up and get lumped with a load of cowboys who have not the first idea what they're doing but think they're the dogs just because they have beards, HK's (if they are lucky enough to have traded in their AK's) and shemagh's. They then rag it up and down Irish in civvy wagons in what can only be a competitoin to see who lasts longest.
    Then you have some of the larger companies. If you have a fair bit of experience in the CP field you might get a decent position in the company. If you haven't then you might get one of the shit jobs. I saw a lot of guys out there who were close to wrecks and had only been there less than a month, especially around the Mosul area. They were hanging out the back of pick ups with knackered RPD's (the perk of the new boy I guess) and they were out on the ground a lot. Because some of the teams are getting bad reps, what support they might get from the yanks was rapidly diminishing. Even some of the big yank firms (Blackwater) are losing the favour of their countrymen. Recent whispers suggest Blackwater may even get the boot (good).
    A good trg coy (Phoenix) will steer him right though and tell him what the score is. He does need to take any rose tinted shades he is wearing off though. The money is nice. Very nice. But it's not as nice as a full DOD contract with all the support that entails. And there are not many firms like that-even if the rodneys at Aegis tell you they're one of them-they're not. Tell him not to go near them and some of there like.
    I'd rather work at mickey dee's cleaning chav piss off the floor with my head personally.
  11. How is the security business nowadays? I would imagine its booming with a healthy future. I was possibly interested in getting involved.
  12. Were you indeed..the phrase 'possibly' rules you out..PMC work is not for girls..bit like Yorkies....
  13. It is booming and does have a healthy future for the right people. There are jobs but there also plenty of people applying for those jobs, so they can afford to be choosy about who even makes it to the interview stage.
  14. Morning all, this is an area that I'm interested in and seem to be getting vibes of a pending interview. What sort of money would I expect to earn if I was in a more support biased role i.e comms / IT in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Many thanks, Steve.
  15. Sunray Minor has hot the nail on the head. There are so many lads leaving the service with the idea of walking into a job earning big bucks, obvioulsy training providers are coining it in, by providing CP courses to these lads. Anyone trying to break into the industry now needs to realise that the boom years of 2003 and 2004 are long gone. There are lots of contratcs, but there are also lots of lads looking to do them. I advertised for a team member last year, and I was receiving an email with a C.V attached every few minutes for days.

    Unless a person has good contacts in the industry, I would advise against CP / Security Consultancy / Maritime Security as a primary career plan. I would focuss on resettlement in an unrelated, steady line of work (teaching, plumbing, bee-keeping, whatever you fancy), and keep security on the backburner. If you plug away long enough, you may get lucky.

    Some other points to note, are that as the industry has been established for approaching a decade now, the lads are starting to build up a good deal of private sector experience, sometimes in excess of what they had in the military / police. Some lads have been knocking around the circuit for seven years now. As such, military quals and time served, is no longer the be all and end all. Some lads are doing 8 weeks out of every 12 in Afghan and Iraq doing security work. This will stand out above a six month tour 5 or 6 years ago whilst in green.

    Secondly, the rates of pay are starting to even out in some contracts and the rotations are starting to stretch. I have been very lucky with both pay and rotation. However there were close to a thousand guys applied for a few spots in Afghan with a company called Compass-ISS lately, on a 12-3 rotation for $5000 a month (about £110 a day). Both the rotation and the money would have been laughable a few years back - but now lads are jumping at the chance to do it.