Security in Haiti?

#1
10,000 US troops being deployed in Haiti to keep the peace, minus the necessary aid - wonder how long they can maintain order and fair distribution of any supplies without getting into a potential flash point with the local population? :?



"United Nations peacekeepers warned yesterday that Haiti’s capital could quickly descend into rioting if three million hungry, thirsty and traumatised earthquake survivors don’t receive emergency aid soon. The warning came as relief agencies battled to deliver tonnes of material to Haiti’s capital despite blocked roads, a clogged airport and shattered ports.

Looters have emptied food shops and scuffles have broken out among survivors fighting over scarce water as the wait for help drags on. Brazil’s Defence Minister, Nelson Jobim, warned that the Brazilian-led peacekeeping force could struggle if desperation spilled into violence. “We are worried about security,” he said."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6990401.ece
 
#2
good point. i think that its all going to turn to a bag of poo once rations arrive from the US etc.

i know in the past all aid has been moved arround under armed UN guard, so let see what happens
 
#3
mokaroux said:
good point. i think that its all going to turn to a bag of poo once rations arrive from the US etc.

i know in the past all aid has been moved arround under armed UN guard, so let see what happens
could not agree more, i think that things are going to go pearshapped and fast. Glad i dont have Haiti on my list of places to go on a UN Tour anytime soon!
 
#4
I've already heard reports of riots breaking out there were US and French helicopters have delivered food. People trampled, bullies running off with the aid and mothers and children getting nought...
 
#5
Kaye said:
I've already heard reports of riots breaking out there were US and French helicopters have delivered food. People trampled, bullies running off with the aid and mothers and children getting nought...
i think that the shite is going to hit the fan on this one. they need to get the area secure and fast or all the aid the the world wont make a difference if its not getting to where its needed.
 
#9
Not hard to assume that the US will have to take control - its got the largest contingent of forces there, with about 10,000 troops, 2 air carriers, and several destroyers - and the UN in the region is near enough crippled. Well, they've already taken control of the airport, according to sources? Now, wouldn't it be wise to attempt to level somewhere else for a landing site, say a bit outside the city? That said, i don't know the geography, so its probably a bad idea. :p

Mind you, I'd be pretty likely to be rioting if I was Haitian, in all fairness.
 
#10
Squiggers- I have to agree, but I don't know the local geography either and the last thing you want to do is build anything on an area that could suffer badly in an aftershock!

As I understand it, while the Septics are committing lots of support, the Brazilians were the first to get fresh troops in and get things rolling.

Having read about the state of Haiti pre-earthquake in another thread (can't be bothered to find the link- the AA Gill article in the Times) then it might be an opportunity to help Haiti become a functioning state in the long run. God knows, the poor buggers have to bottom out sooner or later don't they?
 
#11
I am sure that the US will show "Hearts and Minds" from all the lessons they have learned = or maybe not!
 
#12
lunte said:
I am sure that the US will show "Hearts and Minds" from all the lessons they have learned = or maybe not!
hmmm... i can see the headlines now... "US trigger happy troops open fire on angry crowd seeking food and water" :wink:
 
#13
dangerousdave said:
lunte said:
I am sure that the US will show "Hearts and Minds" from all the lessons they have learned = or maybe not!
hmmm... i can see the headlines now... "US trigger happy troops open fire on angry crowd seeking food and water" :wink:
Christ on a bike - give the guys a chance!
 

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#15
Did see them getting on transports on the Beeb yesterday - full body armour which I thought was a bit odd...
 
#16
Schaden said:
Did see them getting on transports on the Beeb yesterday - full body armour which I thought was a bit odd...
It's definitely not a shorts and T-shirt environment! They are being sensible turning up with a blatantly obvious show of strength to hopefully deter any chancers.
It is a real presure cooker environment and I agree the potential for it kicking off is all too real. Hopefully all parties will concentrate on the real issue and crack on delivering (and allowing to be delivered) aid to those who need it most.
 
#17
slipperman said:
Schaden said:
Did see them getting on transports on the Beeb yesterday - full body armour which I thought was a bit odd...
It's definitely not a shorts and T-shirt environment! They are being sensible turning up with a blatantly obvious show of strength to hopefully deter any chancers.
It is a real presure cooker environment and I agree the potential for it kicking off is all too real. Hopefully all parties will concentrate on the real issue and crack on delivering (and allowing to be delivered) aid to those who need it most.
Maybe a time to just point out that Haiti has no army and its police force has all but collapsed. Even before the earthquake only 50% of Haitians had access to clean water. Now most of the remaining water supply been cut off. US troops sent to help the relief effort being called on to keep order and defend aid assets if security deteriorates is all too real?
 
#18
Get on to the Telegraph website and have a look at their slide show of the country - it's proper f&*ked, really.....

Once the relief effort is done, getting that country back on it's knees, let alone own two feet will take ages.
 
#19
dangerousdave said:
slipperman said:
dangerousdave said:
lunte said:
I am sure that the US will show "Hearts and Minds" from all the lessons they have learned = or maybe not!
hmmm... i can see the headlines now... "US trigger happy troops open fire on angry crowd seeking food and water" :wink:
Christ on a bike - give the guys a chance!
fair one :)
They (troops assisting the delivery of aid) are screwed either way. Do they use force against the gun and machete wielding thugs taking everything for themselves or do they let the thugs (who are "victims"too) have the goods and let the weak starve? Either way if the troops involved are US or European
someones going to use it to stir up more trouble. (And demand more money)

For all that has happened to this shit hole in the past, it is incredible the ignorance about how much of the countries woes are self generated. It's like the family down the road on their fourth generation of unemployment. It's become the accepted way of life.
 
#20
Im sick of hearing about haiti and its earth quake, its not our problem. we have poverty on our own doorstep. what has haiti ever done for us or anyone else for that matter. now they have a quake and expect the world to help. i sleep easily each night knowing i will never give a penny for these victims
regards
mick
 

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