Security Clearance - how long to process?

Gamer 69

Clanker
I've been offered a HEO/C2 role.

I've had to do the Occ Health form, DBS form, Security Clearance, References etc.

I suspect the Security Clearance will take the longest - I've seen 4 to 12 weeks mentioned. Any idea what this is in practice?
 

kimmi851

Old-Salt
Depends on the complexity of your situation as well as level of clearance, I have never found it took more than 3 weeks (I have had gaps between different ones so this is not simple renewals)
 
I suspect the Security Clearance will take the longest - I've seen 4 to 12 weeks mentioned. Any idea what this is in practice?
Depends how long your internet porn disclosures list is
 

urban_spaceman

War Hero
I’ve found the security clearance itself can take as little as a few days. What will take a further couple of months is all the associated processes that go with it. The SC element (via the NSV portal) is just a small component of the whole ‘employment screening' process that will vary between organisations.
It can be as quick as 10 days, but I suspect you’ll wait a lot longer.
 
Level 3 DV can take 3-6 months, again depending on your background and accuracy and honesty of the information that you provide. Bear in.mind that you should declare membership of Arrse, and as pointed out by @Guns who has just left the site, this can be problematic.
 
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Arkanstigger

War Hero
Level 3 DV can take 3-6 months, again depending on your background and accuracy and honesty of the information that you provide. Bear in.mind that you should declare membership of Arrse, and as pointed out by @Guns who has just left the site, this can be problemstical.
Interesting. Never had an issue with listing Arrse on the form.
 
Just seen the post:


A bit worrying, wasn't an issue on DV fairly recently.
Guns is over in Canadia so they may, and obviously do, take a different line on things. UK NSV didn't seem to care very very recently.

Given the re-emergence of several "Old Fashioned ARRSE Members" though, if the site backslides to what it used to be then they might get twitchy.

Returning to the OPs question, SC can take a very short while (mine was a few days) or there can be delays due to the NSV backlog of months.

Often depends if the post requires extra checks or nationality checks etc. I know of at least one project area where filling posts has been almost slowed to a stop by SC delays for external candidates.
 

Gamer 69

Clanker
Thanks for the responses.

My current employer (fixed term contract - NHS) have got wind of it and are now looking to get their act together to sort me out with something.

I am still looking to leave as the MOD have offered me a permanent role.

1) What's it like working for the MOD directly? I am guessing it is different from my time in the Army.
2) Does security clearance retain with the individual or the post?
 
1) What's it like working for the MOD directly? I am guessing it is different from my time in the Army.
2) Does security clearance retain with the individual or the post?
Your security clearance relates to you. A specific post may need only need the most basic or the the highest vetting

Working for the MoD is pretty different to being in the Army - but in any situation it can make a big difference as to the individuals you are working with

A soldier can be called upon 24/7
A civilian 42 hours a week (less 5 hours lunch - so 37 hours)
That doesn’t mean you can’t be flexible on time, but does mean you should not be working 50 hours a week

I’m a C2, which means I’m expected to be professional and to be responsible for my area of work
 

Fake Sheikh

Old-Salt
CTC up to 4 Weeks/SC up to 6 Months/DV 6 to 12 Months - Depends if they lose the paperwork?
Some MoD jobs good, some bad & if you have never dealt with having a Military Boss it might be an eye opener.
A few have good people skills some don't and the odd fcuking do it comes out, some are bullies.

But as a CS you have the right to be spoken to in a polite manner & with respect at all times.
Not the best paid jobs, pension not as good as it used to be, but early finish on a Friday.
Unless you are on shifts/duty.

Free parking & gym(but might need personal insurance)
 

Beachdaze2

Clanker
Your security clearance relates to you. A specific post may need only need the most basic or the the highest vetting

Working for the MoD is pretty different to being in the Army - but in any situation it can make a big difference as to the individuals you are working with

A soldier can be called upon 24/7
A civilian 42 hours a week (less 5 hours lunch - so 37 hours)
That doesn’t mean you can’t be flexible on time, but does mean you should not be working 50 hours a week

I’m a C2, which means I’m expected to be professional and to be responsible for my area of work
Not quite right. Security clearance - particularly the higher levels - goes with the post. If you move post then your clearance may end/be reduced as appropriate.

Depending on the situation, even if moving between posts that require the same level of clearance, your clearance for the post you’re leaving may be rescinded and you’ll need to wait for it to be reinstated for the new post. That doesn’t mean you’ll need to go through the vetting process again; it’s more of a formality for the receiving post/dept to ensure you’re appropriately vetted. Again, it very much depends on the level of vetting held and the nature/location of the work.

If you work (or intend to work) in high end vetted jobs, don’t have a big interweb footprint - better still, don’t have one at all. If you do feel the need to blog or comment on websites then keep it sensible and calm and ideally without pics of you, your family or anything other than the flowers in your garden. Better still, somebody else’s garden.

Have you ever googled yourself? Try it and see what you find. The more you find, the bigger a problem it is. Commenting on ARRSE wouldn’t automatically be an issue unless you were overstepping the mark on what you say or how you say it.

A good gauge is - if what you say can be attributed to you by somebody who knows you or if somebody in the game who doesn’t know you can guess what you do and where you do it then it’s probably best that you don’t say it.

Or more simply, if your interweb presence suggests that you’re a total cock - then you probably are.
 
Not quite right. Security clearance - particularly the higher levels - goes with the post. If you move post then your clearance may end/be reduced as appropriate.

Depending on the situation, even if moving between posts that require the same level of clearance, your clearance for the post you’re leaving may be rescinded and you’ll need to wait for it to be reinstated for the new post. That doesn’t mean you’ll need to go through the vetting process again; it’s more of a formality for the receiving post/dept to ensure you’re appropriately vetted. Again, it very much depends on the level of vetting held and the nature/location of the work.

If you work (or intend to work) in high end vetted jobs, don’t have a big interweb footprint - better still, don’t have one at all. If you do feel the need to blog or comment on websites then keep it sensible and calm and ideally without pics of you, your family or anything other than the flowers in your garden. Better still, somebody else’s garden.

Have you ever googled yourself? Try it and see what you find. The more you find, the bigger a problem it is. Commenting on ARRSE wouldn’t automatically be an issue unless you were overstepping the mark on what you say or how you say it.

A good gauge is - if what you say can be attributed to you by somebody who knows you or if somebody in the game who doesn’t know you can guess what you do and where you do it then it’s probably best that you don’t say it.

Or more simply, if your interweb presence suggests that you’re a total cock - then you probably are.
Excellent advice. As I said earlier in the thread, there is a strong emphasis from NSV these days on internet vulnerabilities. The risk of being on Arrse is being associated with some of the more rabid posters (so avoid anything to do with threads on racism, migrants etc)


By the way, my name is Clarissa and I love kittens. I don't drink and I don't watch pornhub. Much.
 

Beachdaze2

Clanker
A fair question. I would imagine most people on Arrse either left the Mob many moons ago and don't know enough about current ops to give anything away. Or, what little they do rabbit on about is largely irrelevant, irreverent and entertaining. (I miss the humour/banter so that's what draws me in).

However, there are a prominent number who discuss much but really should know better and I'm often surprised at the level of detail they go in to. Personally, I don't care as it's not my problem but I do know people who do care and very much think it is their problem - and it's at that point that it matters.
 

Arkanstigger

War Hero
How would they know you are on Arrse?

Apologies, but it seems a tad paranoid, unless I am missing something?
When my DV was reviewed last year there was a whole section to fill in to list social media platforms used, internet forums frequented and porn sites thrapped away to.

I may have needed a continuation sheet...
 

goodoldboy

MIA
Book Reviewer
What's it like working for the MOD direct? I am guessing it is different from my time in the Army.
Depends on the location and post so it's impossible to generalise. Most places are pretty good though and your time in the Army should serve you well, especially if you get a job working with (or for) serving Desk Officers. Good luck ...
 
A fair question. I would imagine most people on Arrse either left the Mob many moons ago and don't know enough about current ops to give anything away. Or, what little they do rabbit on about is largely irrelevant, irreverent and entertaining. (I miss the humour/banter so that's what draws me in).

However, there are a prominent number who discuss much but really should know better and I'm often surprised at the level of detail they go in to. Personally, I don't care as it's not my problem but I do know people who do care and very much think it is their problem - and it's at that point that it matters.
I dont think that the case officers are looking to see if you are giving away military secrets; it's more about the internet company that you keep, hence my com.ents about avoiding racist, sexist, homophobic "banter".
 

Beachdaze2

Clanker
I dont think that the case officers are looking to see if you are giving away military secrets; it's more about the internet company that you keep, hence my com.ents about avoiding racist, sexist, homophobic "banter".
Partly. Vetting isn't an exercise in mind control so the fact that one may have homophobic or other divisive views for instance isn't necessarily a blocker. There may be religious or cultural reasons why such views are held and whilst considered disagreeable within the general norms of society, it may be the accepted (and expected) norm in yours. It's all about context and how vulnerable it makes you set against the wider picture and general conduct of your life.

But yes, I agree; it wouldn't be wise to broadcast your personal views across the internet if they're wildly out of kilter with the acceptable mainstream.

Similarly, whilst talking a lot about technical military capabilities may not cross any lines in the sand re security, the detail and regularity of those posts/discussions will raise an eyebrow or two - but again, it would be looked at in the context of what you do, where you do it and set against other key aspects of your life, such as management of your finances and relationships - at work and in your private life.

Multiple or continuous examples of poor judgement will set alarm bells ringing.
 

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