Secret jail in Iraq

Heh.. no wonder MR al-Jaafari called for the Coalition to leave on the day after the discovery.

At the time I thought it sounded like "The sooner you lot get out, the sooner we can start splitting heads."
one or two cases were paralyzed, and some cases of skin peeled off various parts of the body," .........Kamal blamed a lack of jail cells in Iraq.
A lack of cells ripped the skin of a man & paralyzed others.

Nothing but a bunch of animals, sooner we are out of that sh1t hole the better.
Three cheers for this guy, but this does not bode well.

Brigadier General Karl Horst, who commanded the troops that carried out the raid on Sunday night, told reporters that American forces now planned to raid all known detention facilities in the capital.

"We’re going to hit every single one of them, every single one of them," he was quoted as saying by the Los Angeles Times. The raid was among the first known instances in which American forces in Baghdad have stepped in to protect prisoners being held in Iraqi detention.
Are there figures for deaths in captivity in jails run by the "New improved" Iraqi prison service?
In an interview with, McCotter discussed problems with Iraqis working in the prison, noting that they were "shaking down families, shaking down inmates, letting prisoners buy their way out of prison." His solution was to fire the old prison staff and replace them with former Iraqi prison personnel. Of the new guards, he claims "They didn't have any bad habits and did things exactly the way we trained them."
Good find ORC. Hang on, weren't the 'Old-new" Prison guards from Saddam's time?

I must be reading this wrong.

He's saying the guards from Saddam's time were better isn't he.
At what point will the Iraqi authorities tell the US to poke off ? After all, Iraq is not a US state.

And it does further emphasise the problems the US are having in this arena. It's OK for the CIA to ship prisoners off to foreign countries for "torture" - erm, aggressive detention or whatever - but not if you're Iraq.
Fuckit. If they (the SCIRI - the Interior Ministry is their fiefdom with Bayan Jabr in charge, who I think is a Badr Corps "General") want to peel people's skin off, we ought to get out now and leave them to the insurgents (pausing only to pass al-Jaafari a Paveway).


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frankie said: ca meme chose.
plus c'est la meme chose.

" The more things change, the more they remain the same "

It's taken America 230 years to make its own complicated and intricate brand of democracy work ( and if you listen to people like Noam Chomsky and Greg Palast it is debatable whether it does)....up till 1948 black and white in US Forces served in segregated Britain, women have only had the vote since 1919.....NOTHING in Iraq is about to change overnight and, sorry George and Tony , it is pure arrogance to suppose that it will, just because we'd like it to.

What the feck did anyone expect ? Revenge,tribalism and blood feuds are part of the way of life. Why is anyone surprised ?

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Putting all this into a little British perspective, Op Telic three was when the first 'Torture' victims were found at Al Jamiat police station in Basra (The same place the regiment lads were held a few months ago) This hell hole is the home to the SOD or Iraqi secret police. The SOD have several times had prisoners removed for their custody by British forces because of the in human treatment they have inflicted on thier suspects, rubber hose's, baseball bats, hung from roofs etc.They are not Iraqi correctional service.
The corrections staff in the south of the country are mostly MPS trained and given the cultural differences are keen to apply firm, fair and humain policy in thier corrections facilities. Al Maqil and Al Mena prisons in western Basra are not exactly woomwood scrubs or MCTC however when you compare them with the rest of the middle east they far exceed the standards found in Kuwait, Jordon etc. The proud boast on Op Telic four from Al Maqil was that they had only had one death in custody since the war and that was a TB case. This was compared to an average of 20 per year prior to Telic.
Guys please do not confuse the prison service with the SOD or the thugs that detain people because they own a gun. The correctional service has tried hard to make itself a profesional organisation and the Military Provost Staff has worked very hard to help it achieve its aim.

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