Scruffy CCF (Army)

#1
Hello all

I work in a town centre next to a private school with a large CCF (Army) contingent.

For some reason, on Tuesdays a large number of the older students go to school in C95's. They travel to/from school and go out in the town during lunch and breaks in uniform. I assume that on Tuesdays they do CCf activities.

My concern is that there seems to be no standards of dress. What they do behind closed doors in up to them - but when its in a busy town centre, it concerns me.

Just some examples of what I've seen going with C95's: none wear headress, sitting in a pub, boys/girls holding hands/kissing, smoking and carrying shopping, boys with bleached long hair, earrings, trainers etc etc.

Several people where I work have commented, and thought they were soldiers.

Any suggestions?
 
#3
Name and shame the area, theres bound to be someone from around there on ARRSE.....as said send in a complaint.
 
#4
Well im a Colour Sergeant in the CCF and we arn't allowed to wear headress outside school in case we are mistaken for real soldiers and wearing uniform to school just saves time getting changed after school as we only have limited time for monday parade.

With our lot uniform is always a big problem usually shirts not tucked in and trousers over boots but thats why they have Cnuts like me to b0lluck them!
 
#6
Don't think there is the slightest chance anyone would anyone would confuse CCF with real thing.No offence,I was in CCF myself and I remember what I looked like!
 
#7
brownhat said:
Don't think there is the slightest chance anyone would anyone would confuse CCF with real thing.No offence,I was in CCF myself and I remember what I looked like!
To the civvy mind: person in camouflage = soldier.

msr
 
#8
msr said:
brownhat said:
Don't think there is the slightest chance anyone would anyone would confuse CCF with real thing.No offence,I was in CCF myself and I remember what I looked like!
To the civvy mind: person in camouflage = soldier.

msr
Exactly!!!

Used to get complaints from the public at the ACIO regularly saying soldies looking scruffy........turned out it was ACF, CCF or College Public service courses were always letting the side down. Public see a uniform and cant distinguish between soldier or cadet most of the time, the only way of sorting this out is name and shame and lt people like Tommy_cooker sort them out.
 
#9
I do have to say, some private schools make CCF compulsory..so..its like national service..many just dont want to be there...but have to be..so...why shoud they look squared away...im not defending anyone..but..ACF is all volunteers...in many CCF (apart from state schools) its an ofter school club and compulsory at that in some cases...not all..

Still need a ragging though and so...flash the MOD 90...and grip them...best of luck
 
#10
Dont forget that many of those in the CCf are old enough to be in the Army!

tommy_cooker - shirts not tucked in and tousers over boots is the least of their worries!

My understanding (in the RN anyway) was that when in public you always wear your lid?
 
#11
msr said:
brownhat said:
Don't think there is the slightest chance anyone would anyone would confuse CCF with real thing.No offence,I was in CCF myself and I remember what I looked like!
To the civvy mind: person in camouflage = soldier.

msr
Unfortunatley not everyone has the common sense to realise the difference, I had a visit to a CCF contingent a few weeks back. The kids looked like sacks of shit tied up in the middle. I've never seen uniorm that bad, its fcuking out of order. If you've been given the privalege of wearing the Queen's uniform you wear it properly or not at all simple as.
 
#12
emptyeye said:
I do have to say, some private schools make CCF compulsory..so..its like national service..many just dont want to be there...but have to be..so...why shoud they look squared away...im not defending anyone..but..ACF is all volunteers...in many CCF (apart from state schools) its an ofter school club and compulsory at that in some cases...not all..

Still need a ragging though and so...flash the MOD 90...and grip them...best of luck
Well the instructors should make sure they all change before walking home, simple admin point.
 
#13
Old_Gregg said:
emptyeye said:
I do have to say, some private schools make CCF compulsory..so..its like national service..many just dont want to be there...but have to be..so...why shoud they look squared away...im not defending anyone..but..ACF is all volunteers...in many CCF (apart from state schools) its an ofter school club and compulsory at that in some cases...not all..

Still need a ragging though and so...flash the MOD 90...and grip them...best of luck
Well the instructors should make sure they all change before walking home, simple admin point.
For instructors read teachers..say no more!!!
 
#14
emptyeye said:
Old_Gregg said:
emptyeye said:
I do have to say, some private schools make CCF compulsory..so..its like national service..many just dont want to be there...but have to be..so...why shoud they look squared away...im not defending anyone..but..ACF is all volunteers...in many CCF (apart from state schools) its an ofter school club and compulsory at that in some cases...not all..

Still need a ragging though and so...flash the MOD 90...and grip them...best of luck
Well the instructors should make sure they all change before walking home, simple admin point.
For instructors read teachers..say no more!!!
You'd think people would still have a bit of personal pride!, regardless of wether its voluntary or not. I'd complain to the school, maybe mention PERSEC?
 
#15
is it not compulsary for cadets to wear a brassard over shirts/jackets displaying ACF/CCF etc? whilst i was RRT i've stopped cadets countless times on the street and told them to smarten up / put the fags out.
 
#16
its voluntary in our school but the problem like in all areas of life are the gobby 12yr olds who have never been said no to. Most treat the uniform like their normal school uniform i.e. scruffy but once you go up the ranks they realise how to dress behave etc.. Its the the Officers and SNCO's who should be teaching and inspiring them how to conduct themselves
 
#17
The local ACF where I am always look like bags of sh*te. Hands in pockets, smoking in bus shelters with their berets on, dropping their empty pizza boxes/chip packets outside the takeaways, shouting and swearing, copping off with eachother in uniform, and sitting in the pub with their uniform on.
 
#18
A lot depends on the instructors. When I was in the CCF in the '70s our SMI was an old Rifle Brigade (desert and Normandy) CSM who doubled as head caretaker. If you wore uniform on the way home after a weekend you were inspected before you left and woe-betide-you if your face wasn't clean of cam cream and your boots weren't polished. Same went for two of the three ACFs I shared TACs with: keen dedicated instructors who gripped the kids. Pity about the third but at least they didn't share my cap badge

Edited to add
The best you can do is to write to the head or contingent commander in the hope that they taek some action. We always wore berets if in uniform - and even got a nice letter when two cadets saluted a hearse as it passed on their way home; turned out the passenger had been a career soldier
 
#19
It is even worse. The CCFs are in boarding / public schools. Many of the next generation of orifices are in that shambles. :)
 
#20
As a CCF(crab) cadet I completely agree. What has the world sunk to if the card section of the CCF looks better in CS95 than the army. Our army section have rugby socks, of various colours, not even matching sometimes about 2 inches above the boot, with the trousers tucked in to them. And they consider themselves superior. Ha bloody ha.
 
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