Screening soldiers for mental health problems doesn't work

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  1. I my be wrong here, but I'm sure I've seen something somewhere that stated that PTSD can take up to 15 years or so to rear it's ugly head.
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  2. And I will go a bit further and say that as far as assessments being done in advance to try and protect soldiers from future problems (I think they mean weeding out potential candidates) are concerned, the process may indeed identify some people with existing problems, and MAYBE, those at risk of future problems. But I am not sure of the latter.

    However everyone on Arrse prolly knows someone of whom it can be said "how the fck did they get in?"

    Someone above mentioned that some people may actually be suffering adjustment problems making the transition from military to civvy life. The phenomena has been known for a very long time, have a read at:Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: Chant-Pagan
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  3. Re screening, I reckon at infant/junior school you could spot traits. At least with me, started off confident and happy but a few years into the system and I became very shy and didn't deal well with situations in front of people, like standing up in class or even being in assembly. The seeds of showing that I wasn't great at coping with certain types of pressure.

    At the very least, someone trained in each school would be able to spot these types of children and work with them to develop ways to deal with the problems. Sure I'd bet a large number of the children would turn out to just be a bit shy/lacking in self belief etc but a by product would be helping those who just need a little boost to get back onto straight and narrow, but those few who show a deeper issue, it could start the solution quicker and maybe nip it in the bud.

    By the state of mental health currently, and the pressures being piles on kids in the school system there is going to be major, major problems with the upcoming generations. If something can normalise being given a helping hand, plus identify problems early on it could only be a good thing.

    A dedicated mental health professional in each school would be far more useful than a deputy head, probably even more than the head
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  4. Another issue, is don't we have to avoid a one size fits all approach to mental health, especially in the military overall. Someone serving in a submarine is less likely to suffer from PTSD than a front line soldier, however they will encounter stresses and strains to their mental health unique to the nature of their role.
  5. I may have mis-understood the test results, but as I read it the 'spectrum' is 26-32 and scores above and below that are outside the range, so rather than being 'quite far into the spectrum' you are actually some way outside it as a 'maximum' score would be 29, not 50.

    'Scores in the 26-32 range indicate some autistic traits (Asperger's Syndrome)'
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  6. No ,you are talking rubbish again.
    I did the tests via the Autism society, I have an idea they are the SME in these things, not you.
  7. Wow, you certainly seem to have some of the symptoms!

    ... after all, I did make it quite clear from the opening line that "I may have misunderstood the test results ... etc"

    The quote at the bottom of my post ('26 - 32 range', etc) was taken directly from the results page in the link given, so I took it at face value - in isolation, as it was all that was given. Having now looked the test up on a different site evidently that quote was only there as I came mildly into that bracket, and I was indeed misreading it as other sites are far clearer and give all the 'ranges' and results, and you are indeed quite high up the 'range' which possibly explains the rather unnecessary vehemence of your post.
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  8. Not sure if it's within the scope of this thread, although it evidently comes under the heading, but there's a thread in the Int Cell ('Bored Pilot') which gives details of those currently being Courts Martialled and CM'd in the last few years.

    The number of sexual deviancy cases (not just sexual assault, but cases involving children and child pornography) is way, way higher than 'normal'. There could be a number of reasons for this (not just a higher incidence statistically, but more interest in investigating and prosecuting cases, etc), but, hypothetically, could or should these be 'screened out'?
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  9. Nemesis44UK

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    I cannot see how screening can possibly work.

    At one end of the spectrum (not autistic spectrum) you have those bluffers and fibbers featured in Waltenkommando (You weren't there maaaan) and at the other end of the spectrum, you have those military personnel who don't want to admit they have problems, but really need and should be getting help.

    Either way, medical staff aren't going to get meaningful int from the would-be patient.
  10. Gotta agree 100%. PTSD, autism, etc, look like being the 'bad backs' of the 21st century.

    No friends, grumpy with the boss and your staff? Not my fault, I've got Asperger's and there's nothing I can do about it.

    Unreliable, unpredictable, inconsistent? Not my fault, I've got PTSD from that traffic accident I saw last month / when I was abused as a child but I've suppressed it.

    Meanwhile those who've genuinely got Asperger's are trying to lead normal lives (20% don't even rate as borderline on the self-assessment previously linked to), and those who've genuinely got PTSD and need and deserve help don't want to admit it.

    It's the old Catch 22.
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  11. Very much doubt it will 100% guarantee (what does)

    But it will find people who are currently / have previously had issues (which could recur)
  12. Yup. Research suggests 14 years. Don't know why, don't know how, haven't read since I jacked the work, will find reference if necessary
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  13. In genuine cases could be, could be 14 weeks as well

    But could be to do with fake cases claiming it is why they killed someone or they are claiming damages

    Not suggesting that PTSD isn't a genuine issue by the way!
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  14. Just trying to help. Fair do's. I'll just keep my 10+ years in Forensic Psychiatry to myself. No biggie.
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  15. Not saying your wrong

    That could be just a delay due to not seeking help or delays in recognising it
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