Scousers - can they sink any lower?

Are you still so desperate for acceptance?
Mate, if I wanted acceptance, I'd move to Liverpool, lose my dress sense, loudly increase the volume of my speech as the evening goes on and whine about how unfair everything is while doing nothing to better myself.
 
Of course - much greater chance of obtaining a council house up there.
My pension will be about £10,000 higher per annum then the average national wage, all before I get out of bed in the morning. I think I will cope without the need for a council house, but cheers for the concern ^~
 
FFS! Just heard the whiny dad whinging about how he thinks "the staff at AH hate him because he's fought them so long because he's right and they're wrong."

So, young fella me lad; which university did you obtain your medical degree from, then...?
 

Helm

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FFS! Just heard the whiny dad whinging about how he thinks "the staff at AH hate him because he's fought them so long because he's right and they're wrong."

So, young fella me lad; which university did you obtain your medical degree from, then...?
Nicked it off a lorry probably.
 
Actually the parents case in court has been quite interesting here.

As a normal standard of British law, the ultimate decision regards anything to do with a child is that of their parents

The state can ONLY intervene if social services etc. can demonstrate that the actions of the parents have been negligent and/or the child has suffered/would suffer significant harm as a result. Until that legal ‘threshold’ has been crossed, the state has no authority to intervene.

What we are ultimately seeing here is the interplay between medical law (interests of the patient) and family law (the authority of a parent to make a decision on behalf of their child)

The court appears to accept that nothing the parents have done, or proposed to do, has amounted to causing Alfie significant harm (Q1. how can it if he is incapable of feeling pain? Q2. how can it if the alternative course of treatment proposed would lead to his death)

So the argument is, what legal right do the state have to decide what is best for Alfie when the law says that the state has no power to intervene.

An interesting conundrum that the court has essentially resolved by saying that Doctors have the legal duty to do whatever they think is in their patients best interests, regardless of the wishes if the parents, even if the course of action proposed by the parents would not cause the child significant harm.

If people want to debate whether the British legal system gives too much weight to a patient's doctors relative to a patient's parents, or whether parliament should amend legislation to clarify/limit the extent of a court's power in such a situation, that's a perfectly valid debate to have.

But what I'm seeing from the other side of the Atlantic is the plight of a dying infant being exploited dishonestly in a political circus over whether removing the age limit from Medicare will Destroy Civilisation As We Know It. (As if this couple could afford to have their child treated in a highly reputable children's hospital for so long without the state.) And this is despite the parallels with the famous case of Terri Schiavo, which many Americans engaged in this exercise seem to have conveniently forgotten occurred in the US.

There's also the question of whether the Evanses' legal team have done the best possible job. For example, it isn't reasonable to demand that a court rule in favour of bad arguments put by incompetent barristers.


In a country where Doctors are employed by the state that potentially creates a fairly major change in the relationship between the parent and the state that could easily cascade down the system.

This is an interesting suggestion. Could you elaborate? I've been looking at this from the POV of "how would the legal process differ if the Evanses had their son treated by the private sector?" & couldn't see how it would have been different. What might I have overlooked?


I suspect there will be ramifications of this decision for years to come.
 

Gout Man

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What can the bloody eye-ties do that the medical profession in this country can't do? You fücking imbecile?
Give him pasta:-?
 
As daft as that sounds, it could well be true. There's a childrens air ambulance charity that could carry out a tip to tip transfer for them.

News this AM, is that the father is meeting doctors today, so that he can take the lad home. Once nothing more can be achieved in hospital, it's not unusual for end of life patients to go home to die.
The mate who told me works for Merseyside NHS Trust, he was the one who told me that the Manchester bomber and Ian Brady were in adjoining draws in the morgue at the Royal in Liverpool which was gen so I've no reason to doubt him.
 

Gout Man

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You can have as many other expert medical opinions as you like but if none of them chime with a scouser's opinion they'll bleat on and blame others for years on end. Until they get the compo they deserve.
That's better.
 
FFS! Just heard the whiny dad whinging about how he thinks "the staff at AH hate him because he's fought them so long because he's right and they're wrong."

So, young fella me lad; which university did you obtain your medical degree from, then...?
I liked the interviews where he was quoting the doctors and adding "but in my opinion".

I see the parents have separate legal teams, funny how we've only heard one voice in the interviews, I'm wondering if shes binned him for being a bit of a publicity hungry twat or just a twat basically.
 
Mate, if I wanted acceptance, I'd move to Liverpool, lose my dress sense, loudly increase the volume of my speech as the evening goes on and whine about how unfair everything is while doing nothing to better myself.
Yes. You keep telling yourself that as you weep bitter tears that you weren't born in Liverpool.
 

Fang_Farrier

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As part of National MCN, Children with Exceptional HealthCare needs, we follow such cases as this and the likes of Charlie Gard.
There are so many issues it very quickly becomes complex. It often would be so simple to say on you go, have fun elsewhere.
 
Yes. You keep telling yourself that as you weep bitter tears that you weren't born in Liverpool.
When babies are born they usually cry and scream until they get what they want, the rest of the country grows out of it, scouser's just get worse.
 
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Fang_Farrier

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I liked the interviews where he was quoting the doctors and adding "but in my opinion".

I see the parents have separate legal teams, funny how we've only heard one voice in the interviews, I'm mwondering if shes binned him for being a bit of a publicity hungry twat or just a twat basically.
In most of these cases the parents have separate legal teams.

Either because they have separated or so that they can approach it from different angles. Usually the mother with an emotional case and the father more lets try other options.
 

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