Scottish Politics Thread

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BuggerAll

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There is another perspective though.

The New Labour Project stiffed the UK and England by taking advantages of the unwritten nature of the constitution to ride rough shod over convention, creating a tsunami of new laws designed to alter the balance of society, hand power to remote courts and, with laws so poorly drafted they could mean whatever, creating a work-fest for politicised lawyers.

But it stiffed Scotland more, creating a devolved assembly designed specifically to ensure a locked in Labour majority in Westminster for all time. Not too difficult, they thought, given Scotland had long been a labour stronghold. The success of that is plain to see.

With all its size, power, resources and international heft, only now are attempts being made by the UK Gov to honour a contentious referendum, put the ECHR back into the constraints it has managed to creep beyond and deliver UK justice from its subservience to ECJ, a now fully political institution.

So the argument would go - if the UK have taken so long to start to dismantle the excesses of the New Labour Project, then how would it be expected that the comparative minnow of Scotland could do the same in less time? The Scottish 'Parliament' and all its accoutrements are a Gordian knot, but cleverly designed to swing away every time the sword is swung.

To cast aspersions towards folk who still place some faith in democracy, who are in fact just as caught up in the struggle to re-assert those values, fighting against an entity that simply changes the rules, conflating all Scots in Scotland with the minority that refuse to respect a democratic vote, is simply the Brexit struggle writ smaller.

Had you said 'clearly not enough has yet been done' it would have made sense in this context. As it is though?

A well-written argument.

Spoiled only by the bomb-burst of candidates and parties at the last election when they had the opportunity to begin reclaiming their country from the ravages of the SNP.

And did nothing.

That they set more store by facebook and twitter likes than the future of Scotland was nothing short of a dereliction of duty for which they should be held accountable by the voters they let down.

While there may be historical reasons for the tangle of deliberately bad legislation, it's not enough to still be throwing up your petticoats at what Westminster has done to youse puir wee folk.
 

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A well-written argument.

Spoiled only by the bomb-burst of candidates and parties at the last election when they had the opportunity to begin reclaiming their country from the ravages of the SNP.

And did nothing.


That they set more store by facebook and twitter likes than the future of Scotland was nothing short of a dereliction of duty for which they should be held accountable by the voters they let down.

While there may be historical reasons for the tangle of deliberately bad legislation, it's not enough to still be throwing up your petticoats at what Westminster has done to youse puir wee folk.
Au contraire.

It is well rehearsed that Scotland is traditionally balanced towards socialism, in much the same way that, as Glasgow outweighs Edinburgh, England might well have become if Liverpool had been three times the size and heft of London historically, so on the face of it votes should have accrued to Labour and the position in bold have some degree of merit.

However those votes were cast without foreknowledge of the outcome but with the apparently very strong chance that a swing back to labour in Scotland would result in a Corbyn Government for the UK.

That threat coming on top of the Burcow years of political turmoil was perceived by a significant proportion of the voters in Scotland to be greater than the damage wrought by the current SNP administration. Thus with a sense of rock and hard place this sector nobly threw themselves on the fire for the greater good of the UK.

That sector, in the light of the 80 odd majority Government in the HoC are, to say the least, rueful, but, being true sweaties, accept that actions have consequences that must be lived with. Events dear boy - events.

I rather imagine that this not insignificant portion of Scottish voters do not take too kindly to being told that they did nothing, but mostly would understand that making accusations designed to divide, by ascribing blame for an overall outcome to each individual - as though the entire population of Scotland voted the same way or 'Westminster' is somehow to be stigmatised as the enemy of all, recasting a noble sacrifice as dereliction of duty, etc. is straight out of the SNP playbook (v1984). And the SNP are really quite effective at propaganda.


p.s. petticoats are not traditionally worn beneath the kilt - but Morris dancers? Well that's another matter.
 

BuggerAll

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Latest figures are out

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No doubt the losers will claim that we could have had more trade with the EU if only we had stayed in the EU. That would beg the question of why weren’t we doing so much better before 2016? Indeed Scotland exports to the EU rose after Brexit.

The truth is Scotland is always going to export more to the Rest of the World. The EU will continue to be an important market but it’s unlikely to see major growth.
 
Au contraire.

It is well rehearsed that Scotland is traditionally balanced towards socialism, in much the same way that, as Glasgow outweighs Edinburgh, England might well have become if Liverpool had been three times the size and heft of London historically, so on the face of it votes should have accrued to Labour and the position in bold have some degree of merit.

However those votes were cast without foreknowledge of the outcome but with the apparently very strong chance that a swing back to labour in Scotland would result in a Corbyn Government for the UK.

That threat coming on top of the Burcow years of political turmoil was perceived by a significant proportion of the voters in Scotland to be greater than the damage wrought by the current SNP administration. Thus with a sense of rock and hard place this sector nobly threw themselves on the fire for the greater good of the UK.

That sector, in the light of the 80 odd majority Government in the HoC are, to say the least, rueful, but, being true sweaties, accept that actions have consequences that must be lived with. Events dear boy - events.

I rather imagine that this not insignificant portion of Scottish voters do not take too kindly to being told that they did nothing, but mostly would understand that making accusations designed to divide, by ascribing blame for an overall outcome to each individual - as though the entire population of Scotland voted the same way or 'Westminster' is somehow to be stigmatised as the enemy of all, recasting a noble sacrifice as dereliction of duty, etc. is straight out of the SNP playbook (v1984). And the SNP are really quite effective at propaganda.


p.s. petticoats are not traditionally worn beneath the kilt - but Morris dancers? Well that's another matter.

Dictionary.

Under "S".

You know the drill.
 

exbluejob

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Au contraire.

It is well rehearsed that Scotland is traditionally balanced towards socialism, in much the same way that, as Glasgow outweighs Edinburgh, England might well have become if Liverpool had been three times the size and heft of London historically, so on the face of it votes should have accrued to Labour and the position in bold have some degree of merit.

However those votes were cast without foreknowledge of the outcome but with the apparently very strong chance that a swing back to labour in Scotland would result in a Corbyn Government for the UK.

That threat coming on top of the Burcow years of political turmoil was perceived by a significant proportion of the voters in Scotland to be greater than the damage wrought by the current SNP administration. Thus with a sense of rock and hard place this sector nobly threw themselves on the fire for the greater good of the UK.

That sector, in the light of the 80 odd majority Government in the HoC are, to say the least, rueful, but, being true sweaties, accept that actions have consequences that must be lived with. Events dear boy - events.

I rather imagine that this not insignificant portion of Scottish voters do not take too kindly to being told that they did nothing, but mostly would understand that making accusations designed to divide, by ascribing blame for an overall outcome to each individual - as though the entire population of Scotland voted the same way or 'Westminster' is somehow to be stigmatised as the enemy of all, recasting a noble sacrifice as dereliction of duty, etc. is straight out of the SNP playbook (v1984). And the SNP are really quite effective at propaganda.


p.s. petticoats are not traditionally worn beneath the kilt - but Morris dancers? Well that's another matter.
Where do you find room to wear a Morris dancer under your kilt??
 

exbluejob

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Well it's not often talked about in polite society, but documented cases all centre on Brighton - allegedly
and no one said it was voluntary.......
Kilts in Brighton?! That's cultural appropriation!!!
 

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