Scottish Politics Thread

[Dafty duck]

We all do.

Care to share?

 

[BetwixtandBetween]

So, if one wants to be pedantic, absolutely nothing is free.

Not pedantic, just common sense economics.
Air is free, till man up on the Moon.

 

[dun_n_dusted]

Nationally recruited/specialist Territorial Army as mentioned by @History_Man up there^. Not something I'm ashamed of or have ever denied.

Oddly, we tended to be treated like adults, and just giving it a miss was not actionable.

If that's Grantham you're speaking of there, the only part of that place that remotely resembled what you describe was by the regulars (and para QM who I thought was great). My time there was with 160 Tpt Regt Wksp REME.

 

[Dafty duck]

I used to think that, however I see no reason why he isn't entitled to air his own opinions no matter how far apart they are from the majority view (a majority in Scotland that also voted against independence and a majority in the UK that voted for Brexit).

I agree with your point. It's the rhetoric I disagree with.

 

[dun_n_dusted]

Largely because that never happened. But again: a single example of me stifling dissent would prove your point.

You can't furnish us with one though, can you?

Sixty, if you want examples just look at your own posts from that time, I'm not doing your work for you nor have I asked for it.

If you want to see what people are referring to just consider your current posts, you are attempting to repeat what you did then.

 

[Lindermyer]

Anymore than a vote for Boris at the last GE was a vote for Brexit?

I would argue it was because he was clear that a Tory win = Brexit done this year regardless of deal - e no more messing. I would also argue the claim stands up given the collapse of the red wall.

Cant really say it was a vote for Brexit - because Brexit had already been voted on and implemented ergo every party should have been delivering it** stand fast Lib dems where it was a definite vote against brexit - given their statements on the matter - equally that cost them as even there own support base went oh thats undemocratic.


Conversely Labours free Unicorns for everyone attracted some votes but both the confused position on Brexit and Magic Grandpa cost them.

If the SNP go into the next elections with a clear - we will call a referendum if we win - Then I would argue that under those circumstances a vote for them is if not a vote for indy / referendum on Indy then at least a i have no objections.


**Lets be honest parliment did its best to derail Brexit - because they felt it was a bad idea - Simple cowardice on their part because they hadent had the balls to vote against article 50 when it was laid before them.

Not only would that have saved time effort and bitterness - it would have shown them to have rather more integrity -than the vote it through then oppose Brexit at every turn.

 

[BetwixtandBetween]

Anymore than a vote for Boris at the last GE was a vote for Brexit?

A vote for the Conservative manifesto, I think.
"The Conservatives offer a future in which we get Brexit done" or something along those lines.
I recall no "Boris" on my ballot paper.

 

[Sixty]

Sixty, if you want examples just look at your own posts from that time, I'm not doing your work for you nor have I asked for it.

If you want to see what people are referring to just consider your current posts, you are attempting to repeat what you did then.

D_n_D, I have never deleted a post on this thread because, as noted, I refuse to moderate it. It is mostly 98% unionist in its contributions as you may have spotted. My interventions have never, not once, 'stifled debate'. You just don't like them because you're a unionist.

 

[Fang_Farrier]

A vote for the Conservative manifesto, I think.
"The Conservatives offer a future in which we get Brexit done" or something along those lines.
I recall no "Boris" on my ballot paper.

So a vote for SNP, or Greens which will both have independance in their manifesto is a clear desire for IndyRef 2?

 

[tiger stacker]

Eh?

The lying I'd expected from you of course but what was that assault on the English language originally meant to be?

One example of me using my position as a mod to silence dissent, Andrew. That's all you need to show. One.

You put me on rops for a week without even a explanation then oops undid it without no further explanation why.


your impartiality was skewered that time

 

[Auld-Yin]

I have a distinct feeling of deja vu again.

 

[tiger stacker]

So a vote for SNP, or Greens which will both have independance in their manifesto is a clear desire for IndyRef 2?

Depends on the green manifesto which I will read with interest. I am curious how their plans will react to industry.

 

[Sixty]

You put me on rops for a week without even a explanation then oops undid it without no further explanation why.


your impartiality was skewered that time

That's a lie.

Here's what you've been done for.

 

[Lindermyer]

So a vote for SNP, or Greens which will both have independance in their manifesto is a clear desire for IndyRef 2?

Yes

I would however council that supporting Indy ref 2 doesnt = supporting indy itself.

See Brexit - Theres a lot of people who voted remain but felt a referrendum was necassery to prove it was the majorities wish and silence the belly aching (Cameron im convinced was one).
Of course that it back fired spectacuarly when they went with (to quote Jess Phillips) Project fear and of course the a vote for Brexit is a vote for Hitler angle*, doesnt mean holding the refferendum itself was a bad idea.

*Labour of course then doubling down in subsequent elections by calling a huge chunk of the electorate thick racists and then getting embroiled in an antisemitism row and trebbling down on that in 2019 by claiming (paraphrased) to have won the argument but the electorate was to stupid to see it

 

[Paymaster]

Bump

@Sixty any chance of an answer? I try to ask a reasonable unbiased neutral question. Like many others I’m open to persuasion so please help us and tell us how the plan might work.

Bump @Sixty ?

 

[dun_n_dusted]

D_n_D, I have never deleted a post on this thread because, as noted, I refuse to moderate it. It is mostly 98% unionist in its contributions as you may have spotted. My interventions have never, not once, 'stifled debate'. You just don't like them because you're a unionist.

I have to say a typical response. In the same manner you use when you're in full flow, show me where I even came close to suggesting you deleted a post and I'll apologise.

At least you came close by describing me as a Unionist, I'm not really I just think the SNP drive for independence instead of doing their damnedest to run Scotland properly for all their citizens irrespective of origin or political beliefs is not only wrong but extremely damaging for Scotlands image throughout the World.

 

[Truxx]

Referring to them as local elections, as if we're voting for the council instead of the devolved government, is pretty much a great combat indicator of the arrogance that's driven the majority of Scots - stand fast those who've been indoctrinated by their time in the forces - to choose independence.

Are you suggesting that Scottish independence minded voters are arrogant?

 

[Werewolf]

I have a distinct feeling of deja vu again.

Deja vu ain't what it used to be.

 

[Auld-Yin]

Bump @Sixty ?

Be fair, he can't reply if he doesn't have an answer.

 

[AfghanAndy]

Are you suggesting that Scottish independence minded voters are economically illiterate, have huge chips on their shoulders, don’t engage with people outside their immediate echo chamber and have radicalised themselves on a historic myth of Scotland that has never been real.

Fixed that for you.