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I really hope that the powers that be realise that most of the population would be quite happy to receive their jag on a 24/7 basis - if the local surgery asked me to attend at 0300hrs then I would not complain and neither would anyone else I've asked that question of in recent days
Surely they only need to do that if they have sufficient supply of vaccine to enable them to do it and some of the supply starts backing up? Not sure if that’s the case yet. It sounds like areas are getting a limited amount of supply and using it during a working day.
 

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This would appear to be where some of the COVID money from the UK government is going - Sturgeon blasted: SNP spark fury by setting up own ‘college’ to preach nationalism

I have no problem with them setting this up - as long as it is NOT ScotGov CS being used to establish it, NOT the UK taxpayer (or the devolved authority) being used to pay for it and NOT involving the Local Authority personnel or finance either.

If the SNP can wholly pay for and administer it then crack on. It shows exactly what Nationalism / Socialism is all about - creating Right-Think for the population and the perpetual undermining of a functional democracy. It is another step towards the Camps and any intelligent member of our society will see it for what it is and firmly reject it. It will then wither and die of natural causes.
 

Dredd

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"The answer appears to be yes.
But it is because it has pursued a different strategy, with Scotland making sure that care home residents and healthcare staff were at the top of the list."

So most of our over-80s are NOT in care homes then?

How interesting. I wonder who is in them? Bearing in mind Glasgow has a decade lower life expectancy than other parts of the UK, you would think we would have less to cover before moving on to other targeted demographics.

The strategy then would be to ignore a vulnerable group in favour of a less-vulnerable group, in the belief that they may be transmitting it? But, you wouldn't be in contact with those people until AFTER you got it.

I am seeing FB pages popping up with "I got my jab" virtue-signals on them, mainly from NHS staff of course. One is a community nurse, working with geriatrics, so no issues there. Other is in accounts, dealing with pay. So well done targeting that one before an 82 year old with a much higher risk of a fatal outcome to exposure.

Brilliant strategy.
 
Posted this on the covid thread from couple of folk down South

Saw this on another site that I use and quite interesting

Talking to a GP in the family and they're getting 6 doses rather than 5 out of nearly every vial, meaning they've vaccinated a bunch of people in front line jobs who'd have been further down the priority list. 12 hour shifts with a break yesterday. Sounds like they've really stepped up a gear and the organisation is excellent, she is remarkably positive and chipper about the whole thing.
Yeah, there's a lot of "spare", but they can;t guarantee it = so my local practise have an "emergency" call sheet for the end of each day; effectively a list of people (mainly healthcare staff and close families) who can potentially come in inside 5 minutes of a call to soak up the spare doses. My name is somewhere on that list supposedly, although a fair way down as even that list is prioritised by risk factors
 

Truxx

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I have no doubt that the meedya will find some Trades Union people to tell us how hard done to they are, while in the background the majority just get on with it!

BTW, would these people you imply would be unhappy to work on a Nightshift be any different from the nurses who do nightshifts in hospitals as a normal part of their working life?
Years ago I was involved in a major study relating to the out load phase if the GSFG came rolling over the Inner German Border. The study was trying to establish the optimum "working fad" for a given size of group (in our case truckies) Up until that point the SOP was just to drive e till you stopped, somewhere around 72 hours at which point everything ground to a halt.

With a given size of RCT in BAOR and with the rates of fire proposed by BAS/RARS that wasn't going to cut it, as the overall outload phase was more like 7 days, at which point the TA would be racing to the rescue in a fleet even more clapped out than the one we were driving.

I cannot remember the big FTX name, but long story short my group of truckies did 18 hour days, with an hour for scoff and another hour for vehicle maint. We were mandated to get 4 hours kip daily, preferably in a single chunk.

Others were doing 12 on 12 off, whilst the majority did the drive till you can do no more thing.

The 18 hour day thing was by far the most effective. Not only did we shift as much kit in the first 3 days as anyone else but we were still going strong after 7 days.
 
Cracking response. Doubt the sheep will believe it though, they'll use the usual "Aye but Westminster stole oor money just to gee us back less than wut they took eh?" get out clause.

I particularly like point #16.

Given your decision to make your letter public we will do the same with this reply.

Sadly the people who should be reading this probably won't be, and even if they did it would be dismissed as Westminster propoganda!
 

Fang_Farrier

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I really hope that the powers that be realise that most of the population would be quite happy to receive their jag on a 24/7 basis - if the local surgery asked me to attend at 0300hrs then I would not complain and neither would anyone else I've asked that question of in recent days

There's not enough vaccine to warrant 24/7.

The supply is just not meeting demand hence complaints from GPs about "patchy" provision.

Although teams have been working usually until they run out of vaccine.

We had spare doses today at a care home and spent a wee while phoning and getting folk to come.

(It gets complicated because the vaccine is not to be transported once drawn up into syringe and then folk are not allowed into care home so we were giving it in the carpark)
 

Fang_Farrier

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Have you spoken to anyone who would be providing the jag? How many of them are available and happy to do it?

I started 15minutes early the other day, does that count?

On a more serious note, my current involvement is care homes. But we are guided by their availability.

Once we shift to vaccine centres, we may be working different patterns.
 

Fang_Farrier

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I haven't implied anything. I was trying to find out if there's enough staff to provide the additional resources required. I assume the nurses working nights are doing so because they are already busy, or else why would they be there.

There's enough staff, just not enough vaccine.

Having started last week, I found myself as a trainer today!
 

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Posted this on the covid thread from couple of folk down South

Saw this on another site that I use and quite interesting

That announcement that we could take 6 instead of 5 out of every vial was made early last week.

We have been accounting for 6 doses a vial since then, not 5.

Our spares come from folk either refusing the jab or not being medically suitable
 
There's enough staff, just not enough vaccine.

Having started last week, I found myself as a trainer today!

Wales has slowed the rollout so that the staff have something to do until the next batch arrives

Apparently he Welsh government don't want the vaccinators to use it all up at once. Drakeford is concerned that if they do use it all up they will be twiddling their thumbs waiting for the next batch to arrive.
 

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So most of our over-80s are NOT in care homes then?

How interesting. I wonder who is in them? Bearing in mind Glasgow has a decade lower life expectancy than other parts of the UK, you would think we would have less to cover before moving on to other targeted demographics.

The strategy then would be to ignore a vulnerable group in favour of a less-vulnerable group, in the belief that they may be transmitting it? But, you wouldn't be in contact with those people until AFTER you got it.

I am seeing FB pages popping up with "I got my jab" virtue-signals on them, mainly from NHS staff of course. One is a community nurse, working with geriatrics, so no issues there. Other is in accounts, dealing with pay. So well done targeting that one before an 82 year old with a much higher risk of a fatal outcome to exposure.

Brilliant strategy.

No most of our over 80s are not in Care homes.

The majority of over 80s are still in their own homes, or sheltered accommodation.

In terms of these priority groups, Over 80s refers purely to those in the community not those in care homes.

And when we re vaccinating in care homes, we are also vaccinating staff. More staff than residents.

I don't agree with non clinical staff getting vaccinated just because they work in NHS, However there is meant to be a policy of only those admin who are necessary for business continuity to receive it.

There are many different variations on the priorities for vaccine delivery, each of which has pros and cons. The reason there are so many is that you have to decide which pros and cons you go with.

You can not vaccinate everybody at once, you have to make choices. No matter which vaccination model you choose, one vulnerable group will be before a different vulnerable group.
 

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"Ms Sturgeon thanked the military for their help with logistical matters, noting they had also been involved in distributing PPE supplies and setting up the NHS Louisa Jordan hospital in Glasgow."
 

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