Scottish Politics Thread

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Fang_Farrier, Feb 10, 2015.

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  1. "drongo" :smile:

    There's a word I haven't heard anybody use for yonks.
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  2. Qualifications of a Surgeon — Royal College of Surgeons

    Why are surgeons in the UK called Mr/Miss/Ms/Mrs, rather than Dr?

    In most other parts of the world all medical practitioners, physicians and surgeons alike, are referred to as Dr while in the UK surgeons are usually referred to as Mr/Miss/Ms/Mrs. This is because, from the Middle Ages physicians had to embark on formal university training to gain possession of a degree in medicine before they could enter practice. The possession of this degree, a doctorate, entitled them to the title of ‘Doctor of Medicine’ or Doctor.

    The training of surgeons until the mid-19th century was different. They did not have to go to university to gain a degree; instead they usually served as an apprentice to a surgeon. Afterwards they took an examination. In London, after 1745, this was conducted by the Surgeons' Company and after 1800 by The Royal College of Surgeons. If successful they were awarded a diploma, not a degree, therefore they were unable to call themselves 'Doctor', and stayed instead with the title 'Mr'.

    Outside London and in the largest cities, the surgeon served as an apprentice like many other tradesmen, but did not necessarily take any examination. Today all medical practitioners, whether physicians or surgeons have to undertake training at medical school to obtain a qualifying degree. Thereafter a further period of postgraduate study and training through junior posts is required before full consultant surgeon status is achieved. Thus the tradition of a surgeon being referred to as Mr/Miss/Ms/Mrs has continued, meaning that in effect a person starts as Mr/Miss/Ms/Mrs, becomes a Dr and then goes back to being a Mr/Miss/Ms/Mrs again!​
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  3. Fang_Farrier

    Fang_Farrier LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

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  4. Just before he lamped him - "I find your lack of faith disturbing".

    Works either way!
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  5. From the article:

    The sense of entitlement these parasites have! Who says that anyone has to offer Salmond anything. And while he is rightly free to chose how he spends his twilight years, the comment from Ruthie probably encapsulates the general feeling towards this most recent announcement from the shameless (and often clueless) self-promoter.

    Speaks volumes that the automatic response from the SNP apparatchik is to turn the question around and blame someone else. It is, after all, de rigueur for them. Everyone else, knowing what RT really is, has found the move something bizarre and suspects it is just Salmond seeking to stay in the limelight by any means possible. Even Al Jazeera would have been more palatable.

    I would add to the suggestions for possible guests made in the article to include the Sainted Nic herself, where they can discuss how progressive Scoatlan has been in not just changing conviction records for those who had been prosecuted for being homosexual, but also apologising for the temerity to have done it in the first place. She could also exhort other countries of the world to follow our lead, hinting heavily towards those East of Suez. He could invite Peter Tatchell on to express his gratitude that this wrong has now been righted.

    Now that would be a bold and brave move for both of them!
  6. I do wonder if Murdoch has dropped Salmond as yesterdays news.

    The next time Murdoch summons Sturgeon to have a chat I wonder if the vitriol towards Salmond may increase from the party
  7. I've been encouraging Eck for a few years, every tweet or statement he makes is a win for the Union. Damn that woman, faoiled again.
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  8. CanteenCowboy

    CanteenCowboy LE Book Reviewer

    It looks as if Salmond is either going to be a “weathervane” for some SNP policies; as they appear to have established a degree of “plausible deniability” he can float potential future intentions to see the possible reaction. Or he’s becoming an out of control liability, whose level of toxicity to sections of the electorate may actually increase.

    Alex Salmond interview: Nicola Sturgeon is prepared to call a Scottish Independence referendum as soon as possible after Brexit

    Or is it simply he cannot abide to be out of the public’s view, and will increasingly become a public embarrassment to the SNP and Independence movement? This could be interesting.
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  9. Well this mornings report on TM's Mansion House speech puts a different light on to why RT would want to fund Salmond's media career.
    I did have difficulty swallowing his insistence that it was because he was such a good entertainer on the fringe. Although he has been a joke for many years, if he believes it was only due to his performance that they will spend money on him he is very deluded.

    When TM meets NS today will she pass on some interesting intercepts to show what RT's real aim is.
  10. If anyone thought that Salmond got that gig for any reason other than being a sh*t-stirrer then they are deluded.
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  11. CanteenCowboy

    CanteenCowboy LE Book Reviewer

    The Scottish Independence movement was recently declaring undying support for the Catalan Independence movement, and getting quite excited about the prospect of Catalonian UDI. It seems that the resultant Mess has caused some depression in our foremost expert on Spanish politics, which has really brought the bile and hatred of all things British to the surface.

    It also allows him to flog the “BBC Propaganda arm of Westminster” horse once again, after all if one of the former heroes of the Yes movement has actually announced he’s going to be working for someone else’s actual (everybody knows it really is) propaganda machine you’ve got to deflect the attention somehow. Nothing better than a bit of “whataboutery”, especially when it’s on such a flimsy premise.

    Wee Ginger Dug
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  12. Yes, it's quite convenient that this has come along just in time to deflect attention from the cat-fight going on in the North British Labour Party "leader" election.